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Discussion: Promotion ≠ Success
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Is this true? Feel free to post examples to support your thoughts 
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The entire MDNA era, esp GMAYL. Even the SB + Nicki/MIA couldn't make that decent.
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The entire Joanne era. Even the SB won't make that decent.
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Well.... yeah.
You can promote all you want but if people just aren't responding and interested, then you'll still flop.
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Glory - Britney Spears.
One of the most promoted records of the year stalling at 280k WW. A major pop girl struggling to do 300k globally is tragic in itself, with or without promotion. And her stans were notorious for the "no promo" excuses for previous eras but as soon as she promoted, the opposite happened.
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Originally posted by Aurora
The entire Joanne era. Even the SB won't make that decent.
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811K WW without a hit in 10 weeks of 2016. My example works a little better!
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Joanne and Artpop are good examples
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I agree with you. See Madonnas last 2 eras.
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Stone Cold and Million Reasons are the best receipts for this statement being correct
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Originally posted by Almighty Gaga
I agree with you. See Madonnas last 2 eras.
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I forgot about Rebel Heart. Grammys and BRITs performances (incl. highly publicised falling over) and it still failed to chart in America. Good example.
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Originally posted by Rusty
811K WW without a hit in 10 weeks of 2016. My example works a little better!
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Joanne won't score a Top 10, won't touch MDNA's album sales, or even scrape half of MDNA's tour gross. Doesn't look like a better example to me!
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Beyoncé promoted the hell out of 4 and it kinda flopped  but don't get it twisted because Run The World and Love On Top are iconic and the album still sold 3.2 million copies during the peak of the EDM era.
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Originally posted by Aurora
The entire Joanne era. Even the SB won't make that decent.
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Joanne's on lock to do 1M pure sales WW and it's her least promoted era to date, but alright sweetie. Stay using excuses for the fact Joanne's proving y'all wrong and not needing hits, airplay or streaming push to sell.
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Originally posted by Aurora
Joanne won't score a Top 10, won't touch MDNA's album sales, or even scrape half of MDNA's tour gross. Doesn't look like a better example to me!
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MDNA managed 2M WW as a 2012 release. Joanne will likely do 1.3-1.5M as a 2016 release, that's far more impressive. RH is about to be outsold by it and it was released in 2014.
Jury's out on what 2017 will do for its singles. But I agree, Madge certainly did well on her MDNA tour!
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I definitely agree with you! Perfect example is Madonna's last two eras sadly. But she remains a good touring force, at least.
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Originally posted by Rusty
The entire MDNA era, esp GMAYL. Even the SB + Nicki/MIA couldn't make that decent.
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Basically.
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Originally posted by Rusty
The entire MDNA era, esp GMAYL. Even the SB + Nicki/MIA couldn't make that decent.
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they way you ran here didn't allow you to think even the performances she did in different countries of Living for Love was a more suitable example for this thread.
The only televised performance of the MDNA era was the SB and, similar to Beyoncé 's Formation, it made GMAYL a certficied gold top 10 hit in USA and top 1 hit in Canada, the only countries SB is relevant.
Not mentioning: era with 2M seller album, $305M grossing tour, lead single top 10 in 25 countries, Golden Globe win, 1 top earnings in Forbes, highest watched SB halftime show back then, etc.
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Originally posted by Aurora
Joanne won't score a Top 10, won't touch MDNA's album sales, or even scrape half of MDNA's tour gross. Doesn't look like a better example to me!
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Are we really comparing MDNA, early 2012, to Joanne, late 2016? 
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Originally posted by Rusty
811K WW without a hit in 10 weeks of 2016. My example works a little better!
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Mediatraffic has been inflating Joanne's sales for weeks now, it has barely crossed 700K. Not a very big success considering the heavy promo, Q4 release and holiday discounts.
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Originally posted by TinkerbellClap
Are we really comparing MDNA, early 2012, to Joanne, late 2016? |
which levels out the fact that Madonna debuted in 1983 and Gaga in 2008.
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million reasons.
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Performances
She performed "A-Yo" and "Million Reasons" on Saturday Night Live on October 22, 2016. On October 25, 2016, Gaga appeared on The Late Late Show with James Corden in his Carpool Karaoke segment, where she sang her previous singles, along with "Perfect Illusion" and "Million Reasons".[63] Following week after the performance, Gaga headed over to Japan to promote Joanne.[66] She performed a piano version of "Perfect Illusion" on Sukkiri, "Joanne" on News Zero and a combination of "Million Reasons", "Perfect Illusion" and "A-Yo" on SMAP×SMAP.[67][68][69] At the American Music Awards of 2016 she sang "Million Reasons" while playing a guitar, with the set resembling a camp ground.[70] A few days later Gaga visited the Ali Forney LGBT community centre and performed an acoustic version of "Million Reasons", seated atop a piano wearing a T-shirt that read "Be Brave".[72] Gaga traveled to Paris where she performed "Million Reasons", "A-Yo" and "John Wayne" at the 2016 Victoria's Secret Fashion Show.[73] In the United Kingdom, Gaga began her promotion of Joanne with a surprise intimate gig at London's Shepherd's Bush Westfield shopping center,[75][76] and performed "Million Reasons" on the semi-final of the 13th season of The X Factor.[77] Two days later, she performed the track at the 2016 Royal Variety Performance, attended by Charles, Prince of Wales and Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall as well as on Alan Carr's Happy Hour.[78][79]
Tour
Main article: Dive Bar Tour
Gaga announced the Dive Bar Tour, sponsored by Bud Light. The 3-date tour, which visited dive bars in the United States, had dates on October 5, 20 and 27. All performances were live streamed on Bud Light's Facebook page, as well as Gaga's.[80][81][82] During the tour, Gaga premiered "A-Yo" and "Million Reasons", the latter being also released for streaming on Gaga's Vevo channel.[84]
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+ music video, the discounts, ads, commercials, superbowl announcement etc.
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