do y'all think a secular Xmas is possible? Cause I don't give a **** about the religious background (though I guess I do like the whole treat people kindly philosophy that Jesus spread--shame his followers rarely follow it) of Xmas but I like getting gifts and eating
Every Easter for like 2 weeks when you meet somebody here you're supposed to say "Christ has risen" and they have to answer "Christ has risen indeed". For the last few years everytime somebody tells me that I reply "Where, where is he" or "Prove it". Hate that stupid tradition, it's such an obvious way to further indoctrinate people.
Every Easter for like 2 weeks when you meet somebody here you're supposed to say "Christ has risen" and they have to answer "Christ has risen indeed". For the last few years everytime somebody tells me that I reply "Where, where is he" or "Prove it". Hate that stupid tradition, it's such an obvious way to further indoctrinate people.
do y'all think a secular Xmas is possible? Cause I don't give a **** about the religious background (though I guess I do like the whole treat people kindly philosophy that Jesus spread--shame his followers rarely follow it) of Xmas but I like getting gifts and eating
yes of course, we had this discussion few days ago sis
Jaclyn Glenn made a response video to a christian movie where they tried to make it seen as Xmas is only for jesus and it's a jesus holiday, period.
You know how religious people often tell you: "if you don't believe in god and heaven then whats the meaning of life"? Ofc there are many ways you can counter this, but I am just thinking. To them heaven and hell take place after death then. One is an eternity of torment and the other an eternity of bliss. What is the meaning of life after death in this case? Whats the point in eternal joy or torment when death can't put an end to either of them. I mean in this case is heaven really all that good and all its cracked up to be?
You know how religious people often tell you: "if you don't believe in god and heaven then whats the meaning of life"? Ofc there are many ways you can counter this, but I am just thinking. To them heaven and hell take place after death then. One is an eternity of torment and the other an eternity of bliss. What is the meaning of life after death in this case? Whats the point in eternal joy or torment when death can't put an end to either of them. I mean in this case is heaven really all that good and all its cracked up to be?
I feel like I am losing brain cells just by reading the argument christians have for heaven and hell
"No spice, no rice, no chocolate"
"Islam isn't a race, so islamophobia can't be a thing"
"Gay people should hate Islam"
"There's no racism in Europe"
"There's no racism in Western Europe"
"There's no racism in the UK"
"There's no racism in [insert place w/ black population less than 5%]"
"This is why Trump won!!!"
"Trump is very pro-LGBT!"
"I'm tired of SJWs!"
"Why don't SJWs understand what REAL oppression is like?"
"Reverse racism is real"
"Homophobia is a bigger issue than racism"
"It's not racism, it's just my preference"
"It's not transphobia, it's just my preference"
"Why can't [hateful Eastern religion] be more tolerant like [hateful Western religion]?"
"I don't have to be liberal just cause I'm gay!!"
"I don't really see why Beyonce is so acclaimed"
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"Islam isn't a race, so islamophobia can't be a thing"
Hmmm pretty sure it was "Islam isn't a race, therefore _________ is not racist, but Islamophobic/xenophobic."
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"Gay people should hate Islam"
Makes sense, as well as all abrahamic religions.
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"Homophobia is a bigger issue than racism"
In some regions of the world, homophobia and sexism are indeed bigger issues.
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"It's not transphobia, it's just my preference"
If we're thinking about the same situation, it is indeed not transphobic to prefer to date cisgender people as long as you fully support transgenders rights, etc.
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"Why can't [hateful Eastern religion] be more tolerant like [hateful Western religion]?"
Intolerance within organized religions does exist on a spectrum, thus making such claim totally valid.
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"I don't have to be liberal just cause I'm gay!!"
Absolutely correct remark, nothing wrong with it whatsoever. Your sexual orientation shouldn't automatically force you to stand on one side of the spectrum.
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You were right about the rest though. Most right-wingers on here are deplorable alt-righters.
Hmmm pretty sure it was "Islam isn't a race, therefore _________ is not racist, but Islamophobic/xenophobic."
Races aren't real. They're superficial groupings of people, which is why they vary from cultures and societies. Jewish isn't a race either, and neither is Latino, yet hatred aimed at these groups is considered racist.
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Makes sense, as well as all abrahamic religions.
Then why do conservatives love Israel?
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In some regions of the world, homophobia and sexism are indeed bigger issues.
The point is that you cannot quantify power systems to be bigger or worse than some. A place you probably think has very little racism is still combatting racism. Power systems are global. There's no place in the world free of racism or homophobia.
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If we're thinking about the same situation, it is indeed not transphobic to prefer to date cisgender people as long as you fully support transgenders rights, etc.
Declaring you won't date someone who is trans before even being asked out by a trans person is just as dumb as suggesting you find ALL people of one race ugly. Of course you don't have to have sex with people who have certain genitals that make you uncomfortable, but most trans people would never force this on people and often have talks with people they end up talking to because they already know how tough it is for people to date them. Trans people aren't overtly asserting themselves onto you to make "No trans!!" the new "no spice, no rice!!" and yes, the declaration of such in a similar matter is transphobic.
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Intolerance within organized religions does exist on a spectrum, thus making such claim totally valid.
Then why don't conservatives speak on the EXTREME hate western religions and missionaries have caused in continents like Africa. If intolerance is a spectrum, how come the very extreme intolerance to gays in places like Uganda by Christianity (let alone Western Christians ) is hardly spoken about?
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Absolutely correct remark, nothing wrong with it whatsoever. Your sexual orientation shouldn't automatically force you to stand on one side of the spectrum.
I mean, this is true, but conversely, being gay doesn't give them any clout either. Cool, someone's gay - they're still likely a racist bigot, ie: half of ATRL. The "Gay and Conservative" title is used as some type of "gotcha!" by ATRL conservatives to think they can't be argued with as a minority, allowing them to preach hate, when no, boo, the draggings will STILL proceed as they will when any bigot speaks.
Saying that races aren't real is ironic tbh. You get to chose your faith and your ideology, but you can't change your identity. That's why racism is a lot worse than blasphemy.
Races aren't real. They're superficial groupings of people, which is why they vary from cultures and societies. Jewish isn't a race either, and neither is Latino, yet hatred aimed at these groups is considered racist.
Hatred against Jews is anti-semitism, not racism. Hatred against Laitnos is racism because it's an ethnical/descent group. Just like you can say "racism against Arabs/Middle Easterns" - something I have actually dealt with, because being Arab is not a religion, but an ethnicity.
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Then why do conservatives love Israel?
This was about "gay people should hate all Abarahamic religions", not "conservative".
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The point is that you cannot quantify power systems to be bigger or worse than some. A place you probably think has very little racism is still combatting racism. Power systems are global. There's no place in the world free of racism or homophobia
It's true, there's no place in the world free of racism or homophobia, don't know who disagrees with that. I was saying that there are indeed places where one discriminatory act is more prevalent than the other and I'm not sure why that's an issue.
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Declaring you won't date someone who is trans before even being asked out by a trans person is just as dumb as suggesting you find ALL people of one race ugly. Of course you don't have to have sex with people who have certain genitals that make you uncomfortable, but most trans people would never force this on people and often have talks with people they end up talking to because they already know how tough it is for people to date them. Trans people aren't overtly asserting themselves onto you to make "No trans!!" the new "no spice, no rice!!" and yes, the declaration of such in a similar matter is transphobic.
That's why I included "if we're thinking about the same situation" at the beginning of my response - turns out we're not.
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Then why don't conservatives speak on the EXTREME hate western religions and missionaries have caused in continents like Africa. If intolerance is a spectrum, how come the very extreme intolerance to gays in places like Uganda by Christianity (let alone Western Christians ) is hardly spoken about?
Just because horrible act A exists in both religion X and religion Y, doesn't mean they exist on the same scale. That was the entire point, and you're trying to contest it by saying that horrible act A exists in all religions when that is known.
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I mean, this is true, but conversely, being gay doesn't give them any clout either. Cool, someone's gay - they're still likely a racist bigot, ie: half of ATRL. The "Gay and Conservative" title is used as some type of "gotcha!" by ATRL conservatives to think they can't be argued with as a minority, allowing them to preach hate, when no, boo, the draggings will STILL proceed as they will when any bigot speaks.
Saying that races aren't real is ironic tbh. You get to chose your faith and your ideology, but you can't change your identity. That's why racism is a lot worse than blasphemy.
Islam is racialized in the US.
Similarly as to how Judaism was racialized in Europe.
In fact, most of the Jews who suffered in the Holocaust were Ashkenazi Jews aka European Jews. In the US, Ashkenazi Jews aren't even racialized. They're white. So we have instances of, based on social understanding of language / faith / ethnicity, where the groupings of races vary from area. Whiteness in the US might not be the same as whiteness in Argentina or whiteness in Lebanon.
In the US, you have Sikh men attacked and called "dirty Muslims" because they're 1) brown and 2) wearing some type of "ethnic" attributed religious clothing. Of course being Muslim isn't its own race, the hatred Muslims experience in the US is racialized.
So many would say it either works very similarly to racism with the very same mechanics or simply is a form of racism, just as one may define anti-semitism.