Discussion: U.S. Election 2016 - Page 3887

Sunshine.

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Originally posted by Bloo

It's amazing that that very tame, politically incorrect, true statement "cost her" but all of Trump's deplorable remarks and actions didn't. It says a lot about people, in my mind.

She said nothing but call them for some of them are: racist, sexist, xenophobic, homophobic, etc. She said nothing else. If it didn't cross your mind that there might be "racist" Americans out there that were thrilled by Trump saying racists things, then you're too generous to people in general.

I dont think that was the big issue. It was a small issue until she let it fester and didn't go after the "white working class" with enough ~~fake promises~~ gusto. If she was going to call Donald's bad supporters "deplorables", she was also gonna have to reach out to those of his supporters she didn't find deplorable. Otherwise, how were they to know the difference? It was just a lady in pantsuits calling them deplorable for wanting something new in their lives.

Lord Blackout

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Originally posted by Sunshine.

I dont think that was the big issue. It was a small issue until she let it fester and didn't go after the "white working class" with enough ~~fake promises~~ gusto. If she was going to call Donald's bad supporters "deplorables", she was also gonna have to reach out to those of his supporters she didn't find deplorable. Otherwise, how were they to know the difference? It was just a lady in pantsuits calling them deplorable for wanting something new in their lives.

She's also a woman.

Wonderland

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Originally posted by Lord Blackout

Blacks alone would have given him a win had he kept all of Hillary's voters including educated whites. He wouldn't need uneducated whites like he did in previous elections.

My dad was trying to say otherwise just before and I was like: "Dad you don't think Obama would have turned out 70,000 more (black) people in the states needed to win?" and he replied "The popular vote doesn't matter anyway" and I was like "ummm Hillary won that by 3 million already so I'm not talking about that dad" and he went quiet

He 100% would have voted Trump and I'm PISSED at his idiocy. He's not usually this dumb.

Lord Blackout

Due to the AA vote, Obama would have won FL, Ohio and the rust belt with the exact same ground game.

Wonderland

Was the AA vote actually that badly depressed for Clinton that she could have made up a 10% loss in Ohio?

Sunshine.

All in all, I just don't like the conservative campaign Hillary ran.

I would go days without hearing about her on the news while Trumps surrogates went back and forth on CNN and they covered Trumps rallies. I had to strain too hard to find her and I was always engaged. For those that weren't, they only ever got the Trump side.

Wonderland

Someone get us an Obama 2.0 ASAP

Lord Blackout

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Originally posted by Wonderland

My dad was trying to say otherwise just before and I was like: "Dad you don't think Obama would have turned out 70,000 more (black) people in the states needed to win?" and he replied "The popular vote doesn't matter anyway" and I was like "ummm Hillary won that by 3 million already so I'm not talking about that dad" and he went quiet

He 100% would have voted Trump and I'm PISSED at his idiocy. He's not usually this dumb.

White women could have done the same to Hillary but we all know no one hates women more than other women.

Lord Blackout

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Originally posted by Sunshine.

All in all, I just don't like the conservative campaign Hillary ran.

I would go days without hearing about her on the news while Trumps surrogates went back and forth on CNN and they covered Trumps rallies. I had to strain too hard to find her and I was always engaged. For those that weren't, they only ever got the Trump side.

The media never aired her or Bernie's rallies. It was always Trump's rallies they aired.

Frankly, I think they got the president their corporate CEOs wanted for ratings.

Wonderland

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Originally posted by Lord Blackout

White women could have done the same to Hillary but we all know no one hates women more than white women.

Fixed that for you.

Sunshine.

There's on such thing as an Obama 2.0

We need a totally different, yet similarly engaging kind of leader.

Lord Blackout

Can you guess which word she said the most in her speeches?

Wonderland

At least the Dem rallies in 2020 will be interesting.

Trump is going to be such a target.

Sunshine.

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Originally posted by Lord Blackout

The media never aired her or Bernie's rallies. It was always Trump's rallies they aired.

Frankly, I think they got the president their corporate CEOs wanted for ratings.

This is so cynical, but I could see it.

4 years of through the roof ratings. At the expense of America.

Wonderland

Would they really risk censorship for ratings though?

19SLAYty9

Kamala Harris 2020. No scandals. No flip-flopping on issues. Young (relatively). Black (will get POC vote). Well liked among democrats. If the next 4 years go well she will either win the nomination or become VP.

Wonderland

Tbh I would like to see the first woman President be a PoC.

Call me pressed, but white women don't deserve the honour - especially after what they've done this election.

Lord Blackout

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Originally posted by Sunshine.

This is so cynical, but I could see it.

4 years of through the roof ratings. At the expense of America.

It's heartbreaking but it's true and it's not the first they've done it. This guy basically predicted she'll be Al Gore 2.0 two months before the election.

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You see, one candidate, George W. Bush, was dishonest in a way that was unprecedented in U.S. politics. Most notably, he proposed big tax cuts for the rich while insisting, in raw denial of arithmetic, that they were targeted for the middle class. These campaign lies presaged what would happen during his administration — an administration that, let us not forget, took America to war on false pretenses.

Yet throughout the campaign most media coverage gave the impression that Mr. Bush was a bluff, straightforward guy, while portraying Al Gore — whose policy proposals added up, and whose critiques of the Bush plan were completely accurate — as slippery and dishonest. Mr. Gore’s mendacity was supposedly demonstrated by trivial anecdotes, none significant, some of them simply false. No, he never claimed to have invented the internet. But the image stuck.

And right now I and many others have the sick, sinking feeling that it’s happening again.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/05/op...ets-gored.html

Wonderland

Is Kamala a good orator? We need the 2020 candidate to be able to SPEAK to go up against Trump.

Also I can't decide whether Dems should go for a calm, cool and collected kind of candidate or an aggressive, loud and divisive candidate. I'm leaning towards the latter if I'm honest but I guess it depends on how Trump governs.

Lord Blackout

Two women in a row? I don't think so.
Democrats should just forget about female candidates for a couple of decades.