Of course overweight people have a lesser chance to getting those diseases compared to obese people
Just like overweight people have an higher chance to getting those diseases than people who are not overweighted what's your point ?

Just recently, i caught up with a friend who used to be physically fit literally 5 months ago before he graduated. I had a crush on him cause he had a really sexy body...but he was straight He used to play on the university's club soccer team (so he had a nice ass too ) and ultimate frisby team, but ever since he started his office engineering job for a big oil company, he gained so much weight...in just 5 months. I was so shocked. But his schedule doesn't permit him to play Frisby with a team and whatnot. I know that he's not a lazy person cause I saw his work ethic and alll the activities he did while he was in college.

I don't know. I don't say these things as excuses, but it is something that needs to be identified if we're going to be talking about improving everyone's health. Either we need to hold restaurants to better portions, subsidize companies to leave employers time for exercise, start banning the production and sale of some fatty food components, or something else, but still on a more systematic level. Cause I don't see the issue resolving itself.

Like I know New York tried to get the huge bottles of coke banned, but people were against that. What are you guys' thoughts on this kind of approach?

New York’s Ban on Big Sodas Is Rejected by Final Court

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/06/27...rge-sodas.html

Because so many people i know in life are "passive" fatties. They don't budget for how their body works and are trying to keep up with everyone in everything else.

Right. But then most people wouldn't eat more than 2000 calories. And most people get 1/4 of those calories just in their sugary breakfast cereal.

The principle is easy. But the real life application is a lot more delicate.

Well, it depends on your age. If you're 20-something then being overweight is only an issue of physical appearance since everyone's body is different.

For most people it's not that big of an issue, unless you have other problems. And it's much easier to solve.

Beisdes, if we assume that those overweight people lose the extra weight and have a normal BMI, does this mean it's impossible for them to get a serious chronic illness? No.

As a french person, every european person will agree I think, when I see the size of everything when it comes to food in the US I'm like girl....

As for your friend, is he living alone ? Does he know how to cook ? A lot of times when young people get their first home they're either not bothered to cook because they're alone at night or simply don't know how to cook and they resort to cheap quick fatty food...

See this why I brought up the smoking analogy.

I'll give you that

I don't think he cooks for like lunches and stuff cause he works downtown. Though he may make things for dinner like easy TV dinners or order some take out.

His eating habit has probably stayed the same, but he just doesn't have the exercise to balance it out anymore.

There's no correlation. Smoking is addict, and incredibly toxic. That's why it's extremely risky. But even smoking risks depend on its frequency.

I agree! No fat people should be bullied, I have no problem with fat people since I am good friends with a few of them. It's the "fat activism" mess that is... a mess.

EDIT: okay, finished reading all of your posts. Couldn't agree more with all your arguments sistrens

Hey sisters, I heard y'all calling me.

Fat acceptance is a complicated thing.

My main issue is - if you are concerned about people's health, will you offer to help them? Often, being overweight doesn't come from eating too much food. It's usually (in America at least) the result of few meals and those meals being bad. If a single mother is waitressing and barely making ends meet, and all she can afford is McDonalds at 11PM when she gets home to feed her kids, are you for helping her make more? For making education more accessible?

There are people who don't think low income kids should get free school lunches - the current speaker of the House in the US, Paul Ryan, recently just said free lunches at schools "fill kids' stomachs, but leave their souls empty". Like..what?

Yet many of those same people who don't think it's their taxes' job to pay for other kids' food would complain if the mother could only afford to give her child a 99-cent bag of chips. Everything is connected: the way we perceive health is innately connected the economy, and the way we treat people within a capitalist system is rooted in classism. That's a main point worth discussing in the umbrella of why people may be unhealthy and creating more nuanced dialogue around people's bodies. Sure - let's promote health, starting at the core, the economy.

Such a great contribution to the discussion Communion sis! It's what I was sorta touching on in my post about Bloomberg trying to get rid of the sale of the big coke bottles in New York. I just couldn't put it as eloquently as that.

And to build off of that, I looked up the Paul Ryan quote and it seems he was suggesting, in a very col d detached way, that parents should take more responsibility. But then it's his very party that wants to FORCE people to carry children they know they're not prepared to care for to term.

It's so backwards. So you HAVE to have your baby because we, in the government, compel it, but we can't guarantee we'll help you feed them...in fact, we're trying our hardest NOT to help you take care of them because we don't want to leave them with "empty souls". Lol. It's so backwards.

But I guess that's only part of the conversation, how do countries who are much poorer than the US stay skinny though?

welcome back Communion

FIrst of all, I know it's hard to believe you, but I did lowkey miss you. It's so boring when we don't have debates and arguments these past 30 days! How did you get banned sis?

second, I agree with the points you made as well about the struggles of lower-class citizens. However, I don't think they care about any of this fat acceptance movement. For example, that mother doesn't have to time to post on tumblr about "thin privilege" or how society doesn't see her attractive when she probably has a husband. Of course, we don't talk about any individual, so it's complicated to now suggest any resolutions when we don't have any real, open case on this topic, so we only post examples. The only point about the fat acceptance movement, not regular fat people, the movement, is that it's a very unhealthy issue and it shouldn't be encouraged as something good when it's not. And to bully obese people is a gross thing to do, we should encourage and be supportive for them to change their life, be more active, eat healthy and those things. The people I've seen in the Fat Acceptance movement are the complete opposite of that, and that's the issue with the movement.

I was about to say because people have their own farms and food, but ironically, they're the ones being the most obese

But I do notice how many Americans rather go to McDonalds or order junk food than cook for themselves. I don't know is it because they don't know how to cook or what, but that is a big problem. One of the neighbors who is overweight always buys food that is already done, it only needs to be unfreeze and they're ready to eat. That is unhealthy issue because they buy these junk foods instead of buying ones for themselves and making it. And they say how they don't like eating salad, tomato, or any vegetables

I know junk food is tasty, and I myself am sucker for such unhealthy food that is always quick to make, but that's the issue. People don't took time to learn how to cook food and buy diverse ingredients. Thankfully we did learn in our school a subject called "domaćinstvo" which is basically how to cook, clean and these things around the house so we can be prepared to be independent once we finish school and live in our own homes.

Do y'all think eating junk food is a cultural thing ?

I feel like most europeans consider eating at McDonalds a special occasion, can my european sistrens back me up on that ?

Do Americans feel like eating at McDonalds is just the usual ?

Like how many times do you eat at McDonalds or any fast food a year ?

Really ? Damn. It's kinda looked down upon in France if you go to McDonalds too often tbh. Like it's maybe not a "special occasion" but you'll probably get side eyed if you said you eat there like multiples times a month

Yes, restaurants are more popular in Croatia than junk food places such a McDonalds, and we only use restaurants on special occasions such as weddings, after-funeral, celebrations if someone got a job or finished college for example, etc.

nobody uses McDonalds except for high schoolers and little children who celebrate birthdays. Last time I went to McDonalds was in October (I think?) in 2015

and don't get me started on how old, ugly and unhealthy the oil is there