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Discussion: Atheists & Agnostics Hangout Thread.
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^Î already saw Blaire's response to this video and I'm not surprised Riley is from everydayfeminism which is perhaps the one website on the Internet worse than Buzzfeed when it comes to social justice stuff.
They don't understand that they don't get to dictate who people find attractive or not. The extremists from the left have become such control freaks 
I will concede that someone who says "I would never date a black person" can most definitely be a racist but you can't make generalise this. Correlation does not imply causation.
If someone told me that they wouldn't date white people I won't feel discriminated against 
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This whole ultra-liberal movement is out of control. This is what it has come to. My god
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There's no way around it, strict racial preferences in anything is a permutation of racism.
That's not to say the people who feel like this are bad people. Same way not all white nationalists are bad people. But it is what it is.
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Originally posted by Sunshine.
There's no way around it, strict racial preferences in anything is a permutation of racism.
That's not to say the people who feel like this are bad people. Same way not all white nationalists are bad people. But it is what it is.
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This. I understand preference as in preferring to date certain group of people based of their race over another, but I can't understand how can someone say they are not attractive to a whole race, all people that happen to be in such race.
another example made in the video was would I date a fat person, and I was like "No", because it's not usually what I am looking for, but then I remember finding this guy 3 years ago, he was so funny and attractive and he happen to be fat too. But I didn't mind it. I guess I can say I prefer masculine guys over fat guys, but there would be at least 1 person that I would find attractive and feel like we connected.
but the video The Amazing Atheist was responding to was so tragic. The claims that Riley person said 
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Right. As long as we're allowed to be honest about where our predispositions come from. I don't subscribe to the idea that everyone has to be perfect all the time and constantly feel the right things and know the right things to say always. That's so harmful to our psychological development.
I know I'm a bit femme-phobic because femme guys largely turn me off. That's not to say I disrespect them as people, but I'm sexually drawn to more 'masculine' men. Though I have gotten the hots for femme men before, so I try to be open minded about my preference without shaming myself into a certain way of doing things. I realize my bias, probably reinforced by patriarchal gender norms, and try to address it whenever it becomes too problematic. Otherwise, most of us live our lives on autopilot not realizing how our tiny little preferences effect other people's wellbeing. And that's neither wrong nor right, it's just human.
What we should also be focusing on is fortifying people to weather these types of racial, gender, sexual orientation micro-agressions cause they'll never go away. And even if they go away, we'll still find ways to dig them up from nothing.
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Originally posted by AvrilLaQueen
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Originally posted by MonsterPaw
This whole ultra-liberal movement is out of control. This is what it has come to. My god
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It's very interesting that it was liberals and democrats who used to fightfor the freedom to engage in sexuality and love on one's own choosing, be it gay or interracial relationships for example, yet now the regressive part of the left wants to go back to dictating people who to find attractive basically.
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Originally posted by Sunshine.
There's no way around it, strict racial preferences in anything is a permutation of racism.
That's not to say the people who feel like this are bad people. Same way not all white nationalists are bad people. But it is what it is.
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If someone doesn't find white or black skin attractive that's none of our business in my eyes.
It may very well be a result of racial prejudice or not but maybe the physical attraction just isn't there and that's fine. I don't get how someone can exclude an entire race of people either but if they are only into one race then let them be imo
However I will say that obviously if someone says "I would never date a person of race X because they're all dumb" that'd be a racist statement. I'd say if it's merely a physical lack of attraction that's fine but to dismiss a group of people because you associate a personality trait or behaviour with them then that's most definitely prejudiced and in terms of race definitely racist.
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People have a right to like features. Saying I don't date x race is wrong no matter how you want to put it however.
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Originally posted by Lucas32
If someone doesn't find white or black skin attractive that's none of our business in my eyes.
It may very well be a result of racial prejudice or not but maybe the physical attraction just isn't there and that's fine. I don't get how someone can exclude an entire race of people either but if they are only into one race then let them be imo
However I will say that obviously if someone says "I would never date a person of race X because they're all dumb" that'd be a racist statement. I'd say if it's merely a physical lack of attraction that's fine but to dismiss a group of people because you associate a personality trait or behaviour with them then that's most definitely prejudiced and in terms of race definitely racist.
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I know you're not naive enough to believe someone would betray their position so easily.
I mean, unless they don't care for the social repercussions. But I doubt anyone would be so bold. We can see, however that, usually, the underlying reasons for such opinions on race and attractiveness are socially informed. And there's a huge element of racial bias in Western social spheres.
Like I said, there's no way around it. You have decades of historical precedent that point to a racialized ideology which assigns diminished value to people of color for a plethora of reasons. And this is reflected in hiring processes, school disciplinary action, juridical proceedings, and...yes...even personal sexual preference.
I think this is why a lot of minorities just default to "all white people are racist". While it's wrong in its essence, practically speaking, it's a lot easier to wade through the emotional and mental trauma if you expect racism as part of your daily experience. As opposed to having it creep up on you when you're browsing a dating site or applying to jobs. It's a defense mechanism and I don't think a lot of white people understand the degree to which these racist institutions and cultural norms negatively effect the minority psyche.
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Originally posted by Sunshine.
I know you're not naive enough to believe someone would betray their position so easily.
I mean, unless they don't care for the social repercussions. But I doubt anyone would be so bold. We can see, however that, usually, the underlying reasons for such opinions on race and attractiveness are socially informed. And there's a huge element of racial bias in Western social spheres.
Like I said, there's no way around it. You have decades of historical precedent that point to a racialized ideology which assigns diminished value to people of color for a plethora of reasons. And this is reflected in hiring processes, school disciplinary action, juridical proceedings, and...yes...even personal sexual preference.
I think this is why a lot of minorities just default to "all white people are racist". While it's wrong in its essence, practically speaking, it's a lot easier to wade through the emotional and mental trauma if you expect racism as part of your daily experience. As opposed to having it creep up on you when you're browsing a dating site or applying to jobs. It's a defense mechanism and I don't think a lot of white people understand the degree to which these racist institutions and cultural norms negatively effect the minority psyche.
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I guess it comes down to weighing how much of it is natural preferences and what part is socially informed? I think it's near impossible to find informed datan on this though or even create a study that would measure the impact of social influences.
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Everyday Feminism is THE BEST ugh. Poor haters.
Anyhow, my school will have this interfaith gathering, which includes atheists. Would be lovely to see all the Muslim, Christian, Jewish and Nonreligious feminists we have locally
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Originally posted by Lucas32
I guess it comes down to weighing how much of it is natural preferences and what part is socially informed? I think it's near impossible to find informed datan on this though or even create a study that would measure the impact of social influences.
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I think the fact that black women are considered to be the bottom of the dating pool is pretty informative.
Thought, you're right. It's not entirely conclusive.
But yeah, basically idgaf what your preference is, but really, just step into it. With all its baggage and implications. Own it.
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Originally posted by Sunshine.
I think the fact that black women are considered to be the bottom of the dating pool is pretty informative.
Thought, you're right. It's not entirely conclusive.
But yeah, basically idgaf what your preference is, but really, just step into it. With all its baggage and implications. Own it.
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Yeah, I know the dating studies you are refering to and as you said it's informative and an indictaor but not really enough to draw conclusions.
Race is the only preference I am willing to debate about really because I can concede how socialisations can have an impact on this.
As far as trans people are concerned most people just aren't comformtable dating someone who is biologically not the sex they are attracted to even if they are post-op. And if they are pre-op most people simply are into one set of genetalia and that is it.
I think the aversion to fat and diabled people is primarily biological. After all we are animals who biologically seek to produce healthy offspring and those two groups of people just don't fit into this idea. I know we all want to feel good about ourselves by pretending we'd be fine with a disabled person but I am sure most people would never do it unless the person gets disabled after they started dating. Not to mention the extra work and possible precausations that come along with it.
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I know I would not want to date a gravely disabled person because I wouldn't be able to take care of the person. Same reason I don't want kids, way too selfish 
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i am atheist
people like to thinking that atheist people are ugly and weird
but i am very exciting and glad to proof that is not true

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I agree with all that's being said. I personally can't see myself with a person who has HIV until there's a legit cure for it.
I'm too broke to be dealing with the medications involved if I were to accidentally catch it.
So it's not so much that I don't value people with HIV, it's just that I'm too selfish to let my compassion override my fear of being chronically ill and the medical bills associated. I do live in America after all, where medical costs are largely out of pocket.
But this is the kind of open dialogue we need to be having. One side tends to close in with "you're a [insert a form of bigotry] person!!" and the other side responds with "it's just a preference!!". When the truth is usually somewhere in the middle.
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Originally posted by Sunshine.
I agree with all that's being said. I personally can't see myself with a person who has HIV until there's a legit cure for it.
I'm too broke to be dealing with the medications involved if I were to accidentally catch it.
So it's not so much that I don't value people with HIV it's just that I'm too selfish to let my compassion override my fear of being chronically ill and the medical bills associated. I do live in America after all, where medical costs are largely out of pocket.
But this is the kind of open dialogue we need to be having. One side tends to close in with "you're a [insert a form of bigotry] person!!" and the other side responds with "it's just a preference!!". When the truth is usually somewhere in the middle.
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Absolutely ! We all make choice, have our own personalities, not everything has to be rooted in bigotry. I wouldn't date someone who has kids either, I just could not. I guess one could say I don't want kid anywhere near my life, and I think I have a right to be selfish (this goes to ill person that would rely on me, as I already said, I just know I wouldn't be able to offer such care like I really don't have it in me) 
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the sjw wave has officially reached my country

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the sjw wave has officially reached my country

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What's your country ? What are the "SJW" doing ?
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