Okay honey, let me not drag you, but let's get one thing clear: sexuality is not a choice. As someone who identifies as non-heterosexual, I can assure you, I did not at one point chose to "become a sexuality" that would provide me with a life time of pain, prosecution, and in many cases, brutal murder.

I love everybody but don't come at me with this "I love you but I don't agree with your choice." I used to give religious people passes on disagreeing about homosexuality, but still being nice to gay people, but now I don't. No more pitying the ignorant, hypocrites. Back then religious people used to use the same damn excuse to justify the way they treated black people and other minorities. It's an excuse. The end.

Also, stop with this "let other people have an opinion" nonsense because there's a difference between having an opinion, and trying to prevent other people from living their lives because of your opinion. Capiche? Yes, I don't agree with everybody else's choices 100% of the time, but I don't go around making restrictive laws, persecuting and bullying people, and comparing their "choices" to awful things like pedophilia and bestiality because of my opinion. Point, blank and the period.

I'm tired of people coming here acting like someone they don't even know loving someone is the end of the planet. Until my business comes into your personal life causing substantial damage to you and your loved ones, stop trying to justify coming in between me and mine!

I don't have a problem with religion, but I have a problem with the way that people react to it. There's a lot of Christians who I know that, even though they think it's a "sin," still technically don't judge and don't care. Basically because they know that they're technically "sinners" too, and equally so. So they just don't care that much.

I really hope you're trolling

all of this

first of all, racism and thieft is harming other people, homosexuality is not. The same applies to your disgusting comparison with pedophilia and beastiality.

second, if you wanna talk about choices, why do you choose to be ignorant?

It personally doesn't bother me. As long as you aren't disrespectful, I don't care what you think of me.

No, you're absolutely correct. According to Biblical Christianity, sin is sin and sin requires a choice, which is why same-sex attraction isn't a sin. The examples you gave are no better or worse than homosexuality. In other words, heterosexuals who choose to lust, fornicate, and commit adultery are no better or worse than homosexuals who choose to do the same. Christians who think otherwise are only deceiving themselves and more than likely committing the sin of pride in the process.

I appreciate your response, but you do choose who you decide to lust after and pursue sexually/romantically! That is a choice you make as a result of a choice you already made: If you decide that there is nothing wrong with having non-heterosexual relationships, then you will naturally decide there is nothing wrong with lusting and pursing certian relationships that you deemed acceptable. Your actions require a choice. And entertaining homosexual thoughts, watching homosexual ****, lusting after the same sex, having sex with the same-sex, and being romantically involved with the same sex are all actions that require a choice on your part.

What is the big issue with saying that you decided to be gay, and that you decided there is nothing wrong with liking and pursuing a sexual/romantic relationship with the same-sex? And why is that thought so offensive?

Racism, theft, religion, homophobia, and being gay all require choices. Homosexaulity, pedophilia, and beastality all deal with unwanted /unchosen sexual attraction. Those were the only comparison I was making. I didn't say gays are like pedophiles or racist. Not sure where you got that from.

First of all: Again, not a decision. Even if I chose to stay single, I would still be gay. Sexuality and dating/having sex with somebody are two different things. And I'm not gay because I think heterosexual relationships are unacceptable, I'm gay because when God was whipping up my awesome personality, he also slipped in me liking other boys.

If you want to go talk to God and tell him how he messed up on me, I mean, be my guest.

You're right. But here's the catch: being gay and involving yourself in same sex relationships isn't even a sin. If we're going by the Bible, God only mentions sex between men, never women. So lesbians, you're in the clear! And homosexuality isn't even mentioned, the act of sex between men is, and the only time men and sex with other men back then was during rape to show domination, rape of minors, or rape of slaves. So yes, obviously they would make sure that was a no-no. And if you look back at all the translations of the bible, the specifics of that passage of "man shall not lie with man as a woman" (because again, back then, that only happened during rape), has been translated and changed so many times. So the only person who really understands the original passage to its full extent are people who spend their lifetime researching the Bible and the cultures of the past. You have to take into account and the society and culture at the time to completely understand what the words mean. So many times in the Bible God mentions not taking the Bible for face value and trying to understand what the words really mean, and not just what they say.

Back then, there wasn't even an equivalent word to the word "gay," so to argue that God was talking about committed, consensual relationships between two individuals of the same sex is uneducated.

I'll take it at least they don't hate us lol. If they think homosexuality is wrong then I guess it's up to them. Freedom of speech, no?

I think it's their religious beliefs.

My closest friend is a Muslim, and she doesn't agree with homosexuality. But she has the mind frame of, 'if it doesn't affect me, why would I care?'.

That's her attitude, and it's fine by me.

It's called tolerance.

Again, I never said homosexuality was like pedophilia or beastality. My argument was focused more on attraction than morality. My point was that attraction alone isn't a free pass to act on your attraction. I then used the the judicial systems stances on pedophilia and beastality to further prove my point... to show that attraction isn't a choice, that even our judicial system recognizes people have the ability to --and are expected to-- deny their natural attraction when necessary.

With that said, you weren't the only person that accused me of this, so I apologize to everybody who got offended by my post. My intention was not to imply that being gay was like raping kids or dogs, as it OBVIOUSLY isn't .

My point is this though:

Same-sex attraction ≠ being gay

Attraction to multiple people ≠ cheater/ polygamy

Attraction to other peoples belongs ≠ thief

However, acting on those attraction makes you those things, because you are defined by your actions and choices, which you can control, and not your thoughts, which you can't control.

so your point is to put same-sex attraction with attraction to multiple people and other peoples belongs?

why not put opposite sex attraction too when making your argument then? Why do you only try to shame gay people and comparing it with examples of beastiality, theft, paedophilia, etc.

you only use this "you are defined by your actions and choices, which you can control, and not your thoughts, which you can't control." to use it against homosexuality and comparing it with other disgusting and harmful things. Why not use the same example with heterosexual relationships?

1. The OP's topic was about his friend's negative view on homosexuality, not heterosexuality. But you're right, I could have used better, less offensive examples than beastality and pedophilia to make my point.

2. I compared homosexuality to being religious and homophobic too (of which I'm accused of being) and which you may have missed). And, again, the argument was focused on what a person chooses to be in spite of the negative criticism they face. People choose to be racist, religious, homophobic, thieves and gay, and some people disagree with their decision. The point I was making was that you can still love and respect somebody even if you don't agree with their decisions. If I was implying that being gay was like being a thief or a racist, as you accused me of doing, then I would also be implying that being religious and homophobic is like being a racist or a thief too, which, again, I wasn't.

3. You're making a lot of unnecessary assumptions and accusations. You're also taking a lot of what I'm saying out of context. I think if you took the time to read my comments thoroughly, you'll find that I give reasons for the comparisons I use.

it is patronizing but I mean considering the Bible actively preaches against homosexuality and the Bible is the sole arbiter of morality for most Christians, it's kind of the best response one could hope to get from someone who follows any of the Abrahamic religions

On the other hand, the Bible speaks out against a whole host of other things that no one so much as bats an eye at so idk why Christians feel they have the right to cherrypick which "sinful acts" they use such obnoxious rhetoric toward.

All I know is that I won't lose a wink of sleep over being a filthy sodomite in someone else's eyes. Unless I'm, like, losing sleep because I'm busy partaking in sodomy. Which is fine.

but if person chooses to be something that isn't wrong or bad, like being gay, then it's society that needs to be changed, not the "sinning" person, right?