I think the EU as a concept is like communism; great on paper, catastrophic and unsustainable in practice.

In the end, more government always leads to bigger issues and a framework that's too convoluted and ineffective to deal with them.

well, i agree with you and i am very disappointed in my country for ignoring the problem. I am also disappointed that Italy has such a bad time politically, first with Berlusconi and now with everyone who followed. I want Italy, France, Germany, Netherlands, Belgium and Luxembourg to stick together like glue, to truly bring Europe forward - like they did initially, to become... well... brothers, to become europeans. I mean, we are the core and founding members of the EU and we should be the EU's engine, the driving force that brings everything together. I don't want to lose Italy, or the Netherlands or France to some right-wing-party that destroys not only the country they govern but Europe as we know it today. Italy, France, Germany, (Spain) and BeNeLux are essential for the continent's survival.

71 years of peace is the biggest achievement of the EU for our countries. We have reached a troubling time today and we can only overcome whatever the future holds for us if we work even closer together than we did before. That is why any anti-EU propaganda is dangerous. To ensure our future, we need a strong Italy with a great leader.

I really agree now with the things that you said.
Trust me, we italians in general are the first ones to not be happy with our actual political status, majority of italians are disappointed with this situation in general that is tragic.
Also because it's true, Italy has a big debt but we still are in the top10 of the most powerful countries when it comes to economy, GDP, productions and those kind of things, 'Made in Italy' is still a big trademark of excellence (fashion, food, ecc.)
However this referendum has nothing to do with going out from Europe or the icrease of fair right parties, we're really aware of the bad consequences of going out from EU and it's not going to happen.

Yes, but do we still all share the same interest ? And if not, is every party willing to make concessions ?

We have multiple examples that the answer to both questions are no as of now, hopefully it changes.

well, then I am relieved. I think the new nationalist rising is so unnecessary, we have witnessed first hand what it did to the United Kingdom, United States, Turkey, Poland, Switzerland and Hungary.


We need to pray for our good sis France because if they go down, all of us will too.

well, there is ONLY one answer: WE MUST have the same interests, because it MUST be all of our interest that every member state in the EU (of which we still have 27) is a prosperous, happy, democratic country. If we stick to our own national interests we are doomed no matter what.

Our countries only exist on paper anyway. We live in a globalised world. Us Europeans depend on each other... financially, economocally and even culturally.

culturally:

I am a German who speaks German, English and French. Who worships Marco Mengoni and Italian fashion who admires British, French, Italian history (well the good stuff) and who is a global citizen travelling and visiting our small continent's epic centers of commerce and culture such as London, Barcelona, Rome, Florence, Milano, Budapest <3, Prague, Amsterdam, Berlin, Copenhagen, Athens, (Sparta), Vienna etc. What are we when we lose all that?

I mean it is healthy to love one's own culture and heritage etc, but it must not mean to look down upon other cultures. Because we as Europeans are the first melting pot of everything and should be proud of our diversity and yet should be able to find common ground on the issues that need to be solved.

I think out first step is to get rid of the old political class... with that i specifically mean someone like our minister of finance (Schäuble) who refuses to cut Greece's debts. We need some youngans in Europe... the new political class.. who cherish our freedoms bc it is the only thing they know.

I read that Italy's economy was going to crash and it would cause the El to dismantle next year.


2017 is going to be an iconic earth changing year. Add. To this America's Trump and IL leaving the union, we're in for a Treat

I agree with everything, except our countries do exist we're really close but we still have cultural differences imo. But that's besides the point (come to Paris bitch)


Schäuble hurt the european dream pretty badly tbh

Nothing has happened to italian markets after the referendum, they're holding stable.