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News: Texas forces abortion fetuses to get burried
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Originally posted by Darren-5-08
I actually can't with this post. Honestly, I am pro-life in a personal capacity but am comfortable with first-term abortions being the law.
But your callous disregard for human life is truly horrendous. For most people, abortion is a very complex topic that brings up a lot of emotion. Your attitude towards a potential human life is evil, quite frankly.
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but he is being realistic, you can get emotional as much as you'd like, but what he said is ultimately the reality. 
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Originally posted by Darren-5-08
I actually can't with this post. Honestly, I am pro-life in a personal capacity but am comfortable with first-term abortions being the law.
But your callous disregard for human life is truly horrendous. For most people, abortion is a very complex topic that brings up a lot of emotion. Your attitude towards a potential human life is evil, quite frankly.
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Your use of "callous", "horrendous", "emotion", "attitude", and "evil" are exactly why anti-abortionists are the way they are. They act on emotion and expect people to comply by their personal frailness that frankly comes in the way of women's rights far too often.
Leave your heartstrings feelings to yourself and craft legislation unbiasedly.
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Originally posted by AvrilLaQueen
but he is being realistic, you can get emotional as much as you'd like, but what he said is ultimately the reality. |
This. 
A fact offending you doesn't take away from its truthiness. 
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Originally posted by heckinglovato
It's a clump of cells.
You don't get the death penalty for getting an abortion, there aren't conception certificates, an egg (assuming fertilized) is not a chicken, a seed (even if fertilized) is not a tree, just as a fetus is not a human being.
It is "alive" but that is also true of any other clump of cells in women's bodies: appendixes, wisdom teeth, second kidneys, third eyelids, etc. (All of the aforementioned, by the way, are not needed, would not have a life on their own and are not augmented human beings).
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Human is a species. A fetus whose parents are both human is considered homosapien, that is kind of a known fact. They are much more than "a clump of cells", they have brains and hearts and organs and nerves and bones. And if we want to get technical then any living creature on earth would just be considered "a clump of cells" which wouldn't be false since that is essentially the building block of all life...
And those are two different meanings of the word "alive". An appendix is made up of the same histological tissue that makes up only a small portion of a living person whereas a fetus is complex and is already a mosaic of different organs, bones, muscle etc. Living tissue is not the same as a living being.
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Originally posted by AvrilLaQueen
but he is being realistic, you can get emotional as much as you'd like, but what he said is ultimately the reality. |
heckinglovato always wins!
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Originally posted by heckinglovato
Your use of "callous", "horrendous", "emotion", "attitude", and "evil" are exactly why anti-abortionists are the way they are. They act on emotion and expect people to comply by their personal frailness that frankly comes in the way of women's rights far too often.
Leave your heartstrings feelings to yourself and craft legislation unbiasedly.
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In that case I assume you don't support legislation against harming unborn children? Criminals can have years added to their sentences if their actions harm the child in addition to the mother, but it they're just 'hurting an appendix', those years shouldn't be added on.
It's nothing about 'my beliefs'. I am not religious. And I am not anti-abortion, I am pro-life. But I have seen babies miscarried at 16 weeks, and I do not think that those babies deserve to be killed inside the womb.
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Close this mess
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Originally posted by Cookie
Human is a species. A fetus whose parents are both human is considered homosapien, that is kind of a known fact. They are much more than "a clump of cells", they have brains and hearts and organs and nerves and bones. And if we want to get technical then any living creature on earth would just be considered "a clump of cells" which wouldn't be false since that is essentially the building block of all life...
And those are two different meanings of the word "alive". An appendix is made up of the same histological tissue that makes up only a small portion of a living person whereas a fetus is complex and is already a mosaic of different organs, bones, muscle etc. Living tissue is not the same as a living being.
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I never argued fetuses weren't part of the Homo-Sapien species, just as I haven't argued that eggs aren't part of the Gallus species. But when a Homo-Sapien clump of cells is wedged as a part of somebody's body, it becomes that person's election that they may or may not choose to partake in, even in the cases where there wasn't rape of a risk of the life of the mother.
This clump of cells, no matter how complex or comprehensive it may be, exists as a part of the woman's body just as a second kidney does, and is the woman's premises as a chunk of her own body as long as it is inside of her.
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Originally posted by Darren-5-08
In that case I assume you don't support legislation against harming unborn children? Criminals can have years added to their sentences if their actions harm the child in addition to the mother, but it they're just 'hurting an appendix', those years shouldn't be added on.
It's nothing about 'my beliefs'. I am not religious. And I am not anti-abortion, I am pro-life. But I have seen babies miscarried at 16 weeks, and I do not think that those babies deserve to be killed inside the womb.
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I support such legislation not because my emotions have blindly driven me to do so, but because child abuse (assuming the unborn has already developed a nervous system at this point) is a direct infringement on human rights and physical/mental dignity. I know that because I have used my analysis (and information regarding the fetus' nervous system) and concluded that myself, after having my emotions take me to start thinking about this issue. It's about the right balance.
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Originally posted by heckinglovato
I never argued fetuses weren't part of the Homo-Sapien species, just as I haven't argued that eggs aren't part of the Gallus species. But when a Homo-Sapien clump of cells is wedged as a part of somebody's body, it becomes that person's election that they may or may not choose to partake in, even in the cases where there wasn't rape of a risk of the life of the mother.
This clump of cells, no matter how complex or comprehensive it may be, exists as a part of the woman's body just as a second kidney does, and is the woman's premises as a chunk of her own body as long as it is inside of her.
I support such legislation not because my emotions have blindly driven me to do so, but because child abuse (assuming the unborn has already developed a nervous system at this point) is a direct infringement on human rights and physical/mental dignity. I know that because I have used my analysis (and information regarding the fetus' nervous system) and concluded that myself, after having my emotions take me to start thinking about this issue. It's about the right balance.
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Interesting. So basically, you will classify an unborn baby as a 'fetus' or a 'child' depending on whether or not it is convenient to you.
There are comparisons I could draw, but I won't.
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Originally posted by Darren-5-08
Interesting. So basically, you will classify an unborn baby as a 'fetus' or a 'child' depending on whether or not it is convenient to you.
There are comparisons I could draw, but I won't.
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You could eliminate the word "child" from my latter post and it would still make out the same exact meaning. It's a label I used to classify abuse (although looking back it now, it was probably a misclassification) and it has nothing to do with my opinion regarding such legislation in comparison to abortion. One scenario has the fetus as a part of somebody's body (aka their own chunk to choose whether or not to omit) and the other scenario has a foreign individual damaging the fetus who they should have zero control of.
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But I'm opting out of any more off-topic bickering now, I'm not going to further shift this away from the topic at hand about Texas burials. It was nice discussing this, perhaps we should create a "Social Issues Discussion Thread" and have everybody join in. 
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Originally posted by Cookie
Then what is it then? A chicken?  |
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Originally posted by Brunette Ambition
lmao. if there was (good) public education there wouldn't be abortions, because there are literally 1000 forms to prevent conception, on the males and females side.
abortions shouldn't be seen as a form of birth control. 
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Clearly you've been lacking on that good public education because you would know that nothing that 100% prevents pregnancy. Not condoms, nor birth control. My friend has had cancer and was only given 6 months left to live. She had to go though months of radiation as a last ditch effort to save her . She lost her hair, lost so much weight and the doctors said she was STERILE. After being cancer free miraculously she found out she was 3 months pregnant !
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Originally posted by dussel_06
I'm actually shocked that so many people are pro abortion. Being pregnant is one of the most wonderful things to happen in a couple. People even started naming their kids the moment they knew they're pregnant. And people saying fetuses are just a collection of cells when they have gender and a heartbeat, I can't. I'm saying this because my mother told me that she tried to abort me a lot of times. My heart breaks every time I see these kinds of news. I'm not very religious but I still believe life starts in a heartbeat. Science can make us progress but we're are just loosing our heart. Later in this life, we'll start cloning people and eating them since they're not humans in the first place anyway. Abortion has so many problems associated with it. China technically legalizes abortion to kill their females babies.
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Not necessarily pro abortion, but pro CHOICE. Also some people dont have the resources to take care of the child. Unless you want to see children have a miserable life in an orphanage or be shipped off to foster parents (who do it for the benefits) because not enough people are adopting I think giving women the OPTION of terminating the pregnancy is a right they deserve.
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I read this as 'Taxes forces abortion fetuses to get burried' and I was like.. huh? My Taxes do what? 
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