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Discussion: U.S. Election 2016
Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Mess at NE. Having a meltdown in the last page as a means to tell Hillary voters to move on.
Haven't read one post so far about Trump fans coming back to Hillary or her running in 2020. It's all about finding some candidate who'd unite the party the way Obama did. Sounds like you're the one who needs to move on.
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Hillary winning the popular vote has to do with California dems taking this election seriously. It does not excuse the dem laziness in the other states.
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Member Since: 11/27/2010
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Originally posted by Meh
I don't think this is a disconnect with the top of the ticket. Dems don't vote in midterms - the only exception so far is 2006 when Bush was widely hated by people on both parties. If Obama hurt downballots, then 2012 would have been a disaster. Except we actually won seats that year (including one in Indiana and keeping a seat in Montana, of all places).
IMO, we just have a bigger problem with running as a functional political party. If only every state could imitate what Harry Reid has done in Nevada, we wouldn't be in such a bad state.
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Bush tried to mess with Social Security and got hammered. That's what happened.
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by Adonis
Bush tried to mess with Social Security and got hammered. That's what happened.
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Come through, Paul Ryan.
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Member Since: 9/16/2011
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How much does the regionality of a politician matter in a presidential election? Like, if Kamala Harris were to run, would the fact that she's from Cali help her, hurt her, or not make a difference?
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Member Since: 8/7/2015
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Originally posted by Adonis
Bush tried to mess with Social Security and got hammered. That's what happened.
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Mess with... Social Security you say?
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Member Since: 8/7/2015
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Originally posted by Achilles.
How much does the regionality of a politician matter in a presidential election? Like, if Kamala Harris were to run, would the fact that she's from Cali help her, hurt her, or not make a difference?
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I don't think it matter unless you're from a swing state or near one. West Coast would already be locked up anyway.
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by Achilles.
How much does the regionality of a politician matter in a presidential election? Like, if Kamala Harris were to run, would the fact that she's from Cali help her, hurt her, or not make a difference?
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It doesn't. Obama was from a blue state. Bush was from a red state.
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Member Since: 7/21/2012
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Originally posted by Lord Blackout
Hillary winning the popular vote has to do with California dems taking this election seriously. It does not excuse the dem laziness in the other states.
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To a certain extent. Turnout was actually up in key swing states. The issue is that white people broke his way and not hers. (a lot Democrats voted just not for her)
She improved in 8 states so we were focused. I never got the "yeah X won the popular vote because of that state" as if the margins weren't close in states like Arizona and Texas" which were never in play before.
That's why the EC argument makes no sense. Dem getting CA+NY makes little difference if Republicans run up the score in FL+TX+OH
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by King Maxx
To a certain extent. Turnout was actually up in key swing states. The issue is that white people broke his way and not hers. (a lot Democrats voted just not for her)
She improved in 8 states so we were focused. I never got the "yeah X won the popular vote because of that state" as if the margins weren't close in states like Arizona and Texas" which were never in play before.
That's why the EC argument makes no sense. Dem getting CA+NY makes little difference if Republicans run up the score in FL+TX+OH
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I'm not making an argument for the EC. I'm making an argument while the EC is a fact of life.
California dems showing up to the polls doesn't excuse the democrats in swing states staying home so there is definitely a problem the DNC must deal with; getting liberals active with voting instead of spending their time defending Beyonce's braids on Twitter.
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Member Since: 7/21/2012
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Originally posted by Lord Blackout
I'm not making an argument for the EC. I'm making an argument while the EC is a fact of life.
California dems showing up to the polls doesn't excuse the democrats in swing states staying home so there is definitely a problem the DNC must deal with; getting liberals active with voting instead of spending their time defending Beyonce's braids on Twitter.
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I know what you're trying to argue but when ANYBODY says that CA was the deciding factor is just not true. Democrats helped her numbers in all states.
If anyone discredits liberals in California, then we should discredit conservatives in Texas for helping Trump's numbers, etc. By time we get to it, no one will have any vote if every state cancels each other out. I hope I'm making sense. It's not to discredit you're argument, which is very true.
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by King Maxx
I know what you're trying to argue but when ANYBODY says that CA was the deciding factor is just not true. Democrats helped her numbers in all states.
If anyone discredits liberals in California, then we should discredit conservatives in Texas for helping Trump's numbers, etc. By time we get to it, no one will have any vote if every state cancels each other out. I hope I'm making sense. It's not to discredit you're argument, which is very true.
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Republicans already vote as much as they can and they do it in every election so the Texas argument doesn't work. California showed up in hug numbers (about to surpass Obama) while that was not nearly the case in other blue or swing states (on the Dem side). The only reason Trump is getting more votes than Romney and McCain is because of the swing states. So I don't think we should be using California to justify the pathetic turnout in the other states. I'm not saying dems in the other states didn't show up at all so of course they helped. Just not as much as they could have.
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Member Since: 8/16/2011
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Originally posted by NE.
And I think what liberals fail to understand is, most of Trump supporters don't believe he was a good choice either. I think it was a common understanding that America felt these two were the worst candidates in history. Aside from his misguided uneducated voters, most people Trump voters were simply tired of the establisment, the Clinton dynasty corruption, and the moral politics, so they were not letting Hillary's bloody hands in the Oval Office. Cased closed.
They know Trump is a bigot.
They know he's inexperienced.
Guess, what? They don't care.
Yes, bleeding heart libs, read it and weep. THEY. DO. NOT. CARE.
They do not care about your tears, your cries of misogyny, xenophobia, etc. And shoutout to all the white liberals who are now suddenly "woke" about racism that we've talked about for centuries, now they suddenly realize never left. The same ones who thought we were in a post-racial society because we had a black president.
This election was like choosing between dying by gas (AKA Hillary, hidden but deadly) or fire (AKA Trump, out in the open where they could see it and knew what to expect)
What Democrats are hoping for is that his voters will somehow "regret" their choice and long to go back in time for their Queen Hillary to come and save them lol. The fact is, Trump could be impeached, resign, or be the worst POTUS in U.S. history for all people care, that's fine. As long as it meant Crooked Hillary was CANCELLED for eternity, that was satisfying enough.
So the Dems need to grow a pair of balls, stop analyzing the outcome and acting like sensitive wimps, cut the corny white feminist and kumbaya memes and get back to focusing on inspiring voters for REAL change in this country. If this isn't a wake up call, I don't know what tf is.
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I second this. (But not as harshly  )
I just don't think the majority of people wanted Hillary (except California of course), period! I always said if she ran against Obama for his 3rd term, she'd get eviscerated. lol. The fact that she couldn't beat Donald (while Obama, Bill Clinton, and literally anyone else would have made him eat his lies) says a lot about how people feel about her. And that's probably because of her gross mistakes while she was SoS.
That's just not something she could wash away. Without the email, Bill Clinton scandal, or Benghazi, she would have been golden. But she had too much bad publicity before she even ran to make it past an anti-establishment platform.
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Member Since: 8/29/2011
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Originally posted by Dessy Fenix
Bayh was too corrupt in the end and both him (and Hillary) sunk Gregg.
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So sad, Bayh used to be so popular in Indiana (I'm from Indiana). Yea, he may have lived out of state and was a lobbyist so was Dan Coats! (The senator who Bayh was trying to replace). It shows that money talks and people tend to not split tickets often.
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Member Since: 8/16/2011
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Originally posted by Damien M
White women don't support their own, so why should we?
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http://nydn.us/2fPNnXU
Six electors to vote against their states. Guess that cancels out that angry Bernie Bro from DC 
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Member Since: 9/16/2011
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Originally posted by Lord Blackout
http://nydn.us/2fPNnXU
Six electors to vote against their states. Guess that cancels out that angry Bernie Bro from DC
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6 down, 31 more to go. 
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