Shambolic

https://twitter.com/markberman/statu...91601845415936
https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/sta...93370402934785

He's on fire with these breaches of protocol

What the ****?

https://m.facebook.com/jessica.wick....erly-bookstore

Hillary spotted at a bookstore with Bill and Chelsea. Guess they are a real family after all.

That the data is for millennial voters, not millennial non-voters. Those are two different groups.

The argument you are using is a common misconception, but it is based on false premise. It's similar to thinking that as people get older, they vote more conservatively. The evidence for this is very mixed. In my opinion (and a lot of evidence/theory will back me up), young conservatives are less inclined to vote than young liberals.

Think about it, conservatives motivations are usually fiscals. Young people don't pay that much in taxes, so those that would normally be inclined to vote Republican are less inclined at a young and are more likely to say home. Liberals are motivated largely on inequality. Social issues effect you and your friends whether you are 20 or 50. Arguably more so when you are 20, because you are more likely to know someone different than you in college than when you move back to a segregated neighborhood. Liberals are much more inclined to vote, because their issues matter at the moment.

It's not so much "people get more conservative as they get older" it's more "young conservatives decided not to vote".

Do you have any solid evidence to back this up? Because this all seems like one big hypothesis to me. From experience, I don't see many young people around even worrying about taxes or having opinions on them. Most of them are just swayed by social issues and student dept and that is why they lean left. Just look at the biggest millennial energizers from the past 3 elections; Obama and Bernie.

If anyone is sick of wealth inequality and the concentration of money in one group, it's the millennials who are stuck in student debt and have to deal with the GOP's disastrous environmental record. Any other "the conservative millennials are just not voting" theory is just that. There's no evidence to back it up until we get a conservative who'd energize millennial voters the same way Obama and Bernie did.

It's also intriguing how ideology relates to events of the past.

Baby boomers grew up in that era where communist reigned (where destruction followed). There's a reason so many declined Bernie and his "socialist movement") Although they were the liberals of that time with opposition to war and pro civil rights. Then Gen X grew up during the Nixon/Reagan Era so a lot of that age group developed conservatively. (especially socially).

Now the millennials have experienced the amazing Era of Bill and Obama and the disaster that was Bush and hopefully Trump. So even when we do grow more conservative it'll still be far more liberal than the previous generations. Our job now is to make sure Gen Z grow up in a liberal society which isn't looking so good with the world's move to the right.

Hillary's popular vote lead is now 1.752 million (1.3%)

Generation Z is something to watch out for with the rise of the Alt-right

This is cute. It must have taken everything not to just cry right there, not only for Hillary's loss, but also for the future of America.






















Probably could spared the picture though. At least I would have. No use in being photographed with a loser of her magnitude.

I'll cosign all of this. Quite a few great points here. I don't remember Clinton's presidency (I was too young), but I remember Bush and I have such a low opinion of him that it's pretty much turned me off of the GOP. The fact that he was followed by such a charismatic, dignified, exciting, and inclusive president only further lowers him in my eyes. With any luck, Donald will have a similar influence on today's youth.


Baby boomers are also the children of a generation that fought a war against Nazis, but that didn't stop them from voting for a candidate whose campaign motivates people to graffiti swastikas, chant Nazi catchphrases, and make Nazi salutes in his honor. Yikes.

Yes. The bullying and normalization of Trump is scary. But as of right now, they seem to be very educated (it seems more than adults these days ).

The good thing is that a significant portion of Gen Z are actually minorities and have liberal parents/siblings (Millenials). It depends on how Trump can move the country. A lot of them will be going to college by the end of his term and that could be a big problem because I do expect some kind of Recession coming.

Bandwagonner

I will admit there is not much evidence for it. My main argument, was that you didn't have evidence either. I've read several studies that showed the evidence. I will cite it, If I can find it again. Your anecdotal stories only fit nicely into my description.The problem with finding evidence is that it requires longitudinal studies, which are very expansive. Typically, those are focus groups, which have validity problems. It is hard to make a small focus group representative.

Either way, my argument, that millennial non-voters are different than millennial voters, still stands.

As for your One example . Reagan won 61% of people between ages 18-24, yet only 57% and 58% of the people between ages 25-29 and 30-39, respectively. This could also be evidence that generation (rather than age) is the indicator of how people vote.

I hope you aren't trying to hurt the integrity of scientific theories...

Another good example of how we don't want the non-voters to suddenly start voting.

Right. I keep hearing people saying: "wait till those baby boomers are in the ground !! D"

But like, I get a sense that young white men are being radicalized on such a large scale due to social media and the internet bubbles they inhabit like reddit and 4chan. And now that those types of views have gone mainstream, it'll only entice the most vulnerable.

Like, I get that white people are historically responsible for some pretty ****** things, but so many living today, in real time, are suffering and lack the mental security to fend off racialized appeals that promise them a better future. It's something SJWs will really have to start considering.

I'm not worried about the white girls though, they have Beyonce, Katy, and stuff to praise and be distracted by.

Opportunist is more accurate

Speaking of young conservatives, I read an article back before election day saying that young conservatives are more likely to support gay rights, climate change, criminal justice reform, and Black Lives Matter compared to older conservatives. It's a shame that young people don't have more influence in the Republican party. We can only hope that they hold onto these views so that the GOP of the future (when this generation is older) is better on these issues.

Yep. As Bill Clinton said "It's the economy stupid". With so many older folks going out of work and their Social Security drying up, there's no doubt who they will vote for even if that candidate is such a hawk. Another layer is that he's such a hawk, but he has this nationalistic/isolationist appeal (which is what Baby Boomers grew up advocating for).

America is extremely different from where it was circa Reagan. A Reagan scenario will never happen again. Not only is the nation divided but the two parties are extremely different now and people's beliefs tend to align with one or the other.

And there's a scientific theory and there's a theory theory. Yours is just that; one that hasn't been subjected to great scientific scrutiny and one that hasn't been put to test then peer reviewed. So I don't see why I can't question its integrity.