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Discussion: Atheists & Agnostics Hangout Thread.
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Originally posted by Ecstasy
Oh please don't get me started, especially since you know who will show up to expose our Nazi tendencies.
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But I mean I do get where the multiple gender claims are coming from, there is an expected behavior from man and woman. But wouldn't it be more effective to destroy those expectations rather than creating another "gender" every time there's something in you that doesn't conform to the expected behavior. Like you said in this thread, apart from the obviously stupid ones, there's a gender for every personality trait 
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Originally posted by Ecstasy
Oh please don't get me started, especially since you know who will show up to expose our Nazi tendencies.
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"alt-right raciszt neonazis!1!11" 
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Originally posted by FBF
Those are pretty good points you're making. Although the Western world contributions to the Middle East has been wars, so... But I still get your point.
That gender list thread  Serious question, if I'm a guy and I don't like football, am I gender fluid or something ?
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No. You're simply a normal person with varied interests and personality traits.
But how boring would that be? How boring if you just were a normal person?
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Originally posted by Lucas32
No. You're simply a normal person with varied interests and personality traits.
But how boring would that be? How boring if you just were a normal person?
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I do like football though, it was just for the example.
Do you think it's only because people want to be exceptional, special etc ? Again it stems from the valid argument that man and woman are expected to behaves a certain manner but to have all of this "gender" for every behavior is just  I guess you're right.
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Originally posted by FBF
But I mean I do get where the multiple gender claims are coming from, there is an expected behavior from man and woman. But wouldn't it be more effective to destroy those expectations rather than creating another "gender" every time there's something in you that doesn't conform to the expected behavior. Like you said in this thread, apart from the obviously stupid ones, there's a gender for every personality trait 
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Everytime you ask any of them how is their gender different they say stuff like, "well I like to dress like _____" or " I like cats more " "I have an affinity with number 11  ". You'd think they were raised in society where women weren't allowed to wear pants and men couldn't colour their hair. They almost all exclusively come from western countries with strong liberal movements. It literally exists only on the political spectrum.
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Currently browsing: 5 members (Ecstasy*, AvrilLaQueen, jordanjm, Communion), 2 guests.
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I'll save you some time, I'm a biggoted racist Neo Nazi who hates women and kicks puppies for fun.
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most gays wouldn't even be "males" by that definition. Just go there and do your thing boo 
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Originally posted by Ecstasy
No, one of the worst excuses. Christianity had no role model. There weren't tolerant countries with social justice and secular values they could look at, see working and imitate.
We live in the age of information. Unless you consider all muslims to be desert dwelling savages you should remind yourself that they can by their own choice read a dam book besides the Quran or look things up on the internet. There is no excuse for being a militant fundamentalist in 2016, especially when there have been religions even younger that didn't end up starting wars.
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Estimates have that 40-50% of the global Muslim population is illiterate.
Internet access and literacy aren't really things associated with living in bomb-ridden war zones.
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I'll save you some time, I'm a biggoted racist Neo Nazi who hates women and kicks puppies for fun.
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don't forget a transphobe and self-hating queer too!
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I just got home from the library and I got myself another atheistic book, but this one is written by a Croatian female student who finished the hardest mathematic university and it's written in the 00's! I am perchedT. 
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Originally posted by AvrilLaQueen
don't forget a transphobe and self-hating queer too!
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I just got home from the library and I got myself another atheistic book, but this one is written by a Croatian female student who finished the hardest mathematic university and it's written in the 00's! I am perchedT. 
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Omg, that sounds amazing. My Krauss book wont arrive for another month. I hate my stupid 3rd world country. Tell me if you find something different and interesting in it
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Originally posted by AvrilLaQueen
oh gurl, don't get me on the dumb US people beliving in creationism. I thought how US was smart and progressive, then I realized that's just New York and California, the rest of the country are literally as dumb as those rednecks in their Hollywood movies 
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Ignorance and stupidity exists everywhere
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Originally posted by FBF
I do like football though, it was just for the example.
Yeah, I got that it was an example I just wanted to treat it as though it was real for the response 
Do you think it's only because people want to be exceptional, special etc ? Again it stems from the valid argument that man and woman are expected to behaves a certain manner but to have all of this "gender" for every behavior is just  I guess you're right.
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This generation definitely has a serious need to special and unique. We have more freedom than ever and with freedom comes individuality but these people obviously can't keep it on a reasonable level. Another reason and this one is almost cynical to think about is that in today's political climate "oppression" can be used as political currency. You can tell by the fact that Obama or Hilary push a false wage gap statistics and "the war on women" to earn votes. Being oppressed has turned into an important aspect of extremist leftist activism.
Very simply put: gender is the roles we expect people from the two sexes to fill. Those roles for the most part didn't come out of nowhere. We did not one day decide: yeah you know women just are better at home and stay with the kids. Nor did we assign "violent" as a masculine trait by accident. We assigned it because on average men have more violent tendencies than women. Those roles and behavioural patterns have biological and evolutionary foundations and gender roles can be observed within most animal species on the planet. Humans did construct some expectations such as "blue for boys" and "pink for girls" but gender as a whole isn't socially constructed. And since there are two sexes the logical conclusion follows that there are two genders.
Obviously most people today don't fill their expected gender role 100%, hardly anyone does, but it's not a seperate new gender.
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Originally posted by Communion
Estimates have that 40-50% of the global Muslim population is illiterate.
Internet access and literacy aren't really things associated with living in bomb-ridden war zones.
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Not all of middle east is like that. Have you been in Iran? It's not a desolate war zone, It has cities, it has schools, it has libraries even if there is no internet access. There is acess to information. We are in the 21st century. The world is civilized now, The world in which Christianity originated and existed for most of it's time was savage. Take a look at India. It freed itself from being Britains slave and has now one of the fastest growing economies in the world and it didn't take half as much violence, bloodshed and oppression as it does now in militant islamic countries.
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Originally posted by Ecstasy
Not all of middle east is like that. Have you been in Iran? It's not a desolate war zone, It has cities, it has schools, it has libraries even if there is no internet access. There is acess to information. We are in the 21st century. The world is civilized now, The world in which Christianity originated and existed for most of it's time was savage. Take a look at India. It freed itself from being Britains slave and has now one of the fastest growing economies in the world and it didn't take half as much violence, bloodshed and oppression as it does now in militant islamic countries.
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"There is access to information."
....do you... not know what illiterate mean?
There's a fundamental education gap, whether it be Muslims in Africa or Southern Asia or The Middle East. Only 60-70% of Muslim men globally are estimated to be able to read - 40-45% for women. We know a large portion of those who can read are located in the West, including America + Canada + Western Europe, leaving huge chunks of the population who are illiterate in these areas under devastation, exploitation, fascism, etc.
Of course we must battle all the reasons keeping this true: US interventionism/imperialism, fascists in the Middle East, extremist terror groups who want to stop fellow Muslims from getting an education, etc. However, your point is it's "inexcusable" cause of how connected the world is or, "Iran is different", yet still almost half of all Muslims - 800 Million - are estimated to not know how to read.
Your points as an Atheist should be rooted in empathy and liberation; to educate Muslims worldwide and let them become more liberal in their religion or being non-religious all together. To not be sympathetic or understand the nuance of these people's situation is daft. "There's no excuse, we're in the age of information!!" - sis, 800 Million can't. read. Information then passes by oral communication and, you know it, often religious doctrine. How can people have their OWN interpretations of stories in the Quran and become more liberal if they can't even read?
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Originally posted by Communion
"There is access to information."
....do you... not know what illiterate mean?
There's a fundamental education gap, whether it be Muslims in Africa or Southern Asia or The Middle East. Only 60-70% of Muslim men globally are estimated to be able to read - 40-45% for women. We know a large portion of those who can read are located in the West, including America + Canada + Western Europe, leaving huge chunks of the population who are illiterate in these areas under devastation, exploitation, fascism, etc.
Of course we must battle all the reasons keeping this true: US interventionism/imperialism, fascists in the Middle East, extremist terror groups who want to stop fellow Muslims from getting an education, etc. However, your point is it's "inexcusable" cause of how connected the world is or, "Iran is different", yet still almost half of all Muslims - 800 Million - are estimated to not know how to read.
Your points as an Atheist should be rooted in empathy and liberation; to educate Muslims worldwide and let them become more liberal in their religion or being non-religious all together. To not be sympathetic or understand the nuance of these people's situation is daft. "There's no excuse, we're in the age of information!!" - sis, 800 Million can't. read. Information then passes by oral communication and, you know it, often religious doctrine. How can people have their OWN interpretations of stories in the Quran and become more liberal if they can't even read?
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The gap  SO scary...
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Originally posted by Communion
"There is access to information."
....do you... not know what illiterate mean?
There's a fundamental education gap, whether it be Muslims in Africa or Southern Asia or The Middle East. Only 60-70% of Muslim men globally are estimated to be able to read - 40-45% for women. We know a large portion of those who can read are located in the West, including America + Canada + Western Europe, leaving huge chunks of the population who are illiterate in these areas under devastation, exploitation, fascism, etc.
Of course we must battle all the reasons keeping this true: US interventionism/imperialism, fascists in the Middle East, extremist terror groups who want to stop fellow Muslims from getting an education, etc. However, your point is it's "inexcusable" cause of how connected the world is or, "Iran is different", yet still almost half of all Muslims - 800 Million - are estimated to not know how to read.
Your points as an Atheist should be rooted in empathy and liberation; to educate Muslims worldwide and let them become more liberal in their religion or being non-religious all together. To not be sympathetic or understand the nuance of these people's situation is daft. "There's no excuse, we're in the age of information!!" - sis, 800 Million can't. read. Information then passes by oral communication and, you know it, often religious doctrine. How can people have their OWN interpretations of stories in the Quran and become more liberal if they can't even read?
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You mean, the same thing I have been telling Sunshine for two pages? As for illiteracy comments. Sis the whole different approach to Christianity came from the top and then later spread through lower masses. It wasn't peasants with pitchforks who were afraid of witches and couldn't spell their names that started it. It came from the top, the educated theologians, the lords, the intelligentsia (I hope thats how it is spelled in English). They are the ones who tried and put the wheels in motion and you know dam well that the catholic church condemned and fought them. To use the excuse that Islam is younger is simply invalid. There are religions much younger in Asia that didn't end up starting this many wars even with western colonization. Socioeconomic circumstances on the other hand is a different topic.
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Originally posted by Communion
Neither of y'all will ever be **** for these head ass views and I will NEVER feel an ounce of sympathy for y'all when Trump let's Russia come collect y'all in Europe and put your asses out in the ****ing snow, building his new palaces in his continental kingdom.
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Oh Gee Communion. Tell me more about Empathy and how you care about peoples liberties. Russia bombed cities around me just 8 years ago and seeing this just brought back all those happy memories of people in panic running in the streets.
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Originally posted by Ecstasy
Oh Gee Communion. Tell me more about Empathy and how you care about peoples liberties. Russia bombed cities around me just 8 years ago and seeing this just brought back all those happy memories of people in panic running in the streets.
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Communion wishing the whole Europe is invaded. Some others wished they invaded Europe too, Communion use the word to defame people. Maybe Communion is just projecting 
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Originally posted by Ecstasy
Oh Gee Communion. Tell me more about Empathy and how you care about peoples liberties. Russia bombed cities around me just 8 years ago and seeing this just brought back all those happy memories of people in panic running in the streets.
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I would feel sympathy, but then I just remembered you'd probably use such a situation to suggest Putin is actually "racist to white people, even as a fellow white!"
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Originally posted by Communion
I would feel sympathy, but then I just remembered you'd probably use such a situation to suggest Putin is actually "racist to white people, even as a fellow white!"
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So you wouldn't feel sympathy if an entire continent was destroyed. You have issues to work out my friend !
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Originally posted by Communion
I would feel sympathy, but then I just remembered you'd probably use such a situation to suggest Putin is actually "racist to white people, even as a fellow white!"
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No. I might suggest that the Muslims that stole the land from us and then performed mass genocide to non converted locals and still refuse to acknowledge or give it back were prejudiced against whites. Or then again instead of blaming race I could blame the religion. Or maybe go really radical and say it's in the (recent)past, they were stronger and did what every nation did at that time.
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