Nobody who was a slave is alive today and nobody who participated in that system is alive, same with those who abused native americans and the abused native americans. The only people that have ever gotten reparations in history were the Japanese that personally suffered from those camps, not the entire country or nation but ones affected. Did somebody back then bring up the point that the current Japanese people took the lands from original natives of Japan and throughout history kept slowly driving them back more and more north and to this day they still mistreat the natives of Hokaido? Does anybody scream Japanese privilege? How come nobody demands reparations from Muslims when middle east has raided and enslaved black people for almost a thousand years before europeans started doing it. It's gotten to the point where the arab word for them Abed/Abd is synonymous with Slave. Nobody cares cuz they're all united under this POC banner and act like white devils are the only ones that ever did anything bad to minorities. People suck and our history is literally blood and war. Start demanding an eye for an eye and you wont believe how fast societies will start crumbling.

And not every man is a rapist, but we warn women on taking precautions to prevent sexual assault from happening (i.e. don't wear revealing clothes, don't leave your drink alone, leave with a friend, etc.).

Clearly women still interact with men, but should they not heed this advice?

Minority parents have these same type of conversations with their kids. Things to do, as a minority, to avoid endangering yourself in a system stacked against you. People harbor these feelings as a means of self-preservation.

No they shouldn't. It makes me think of the Cologne mass rape. What happened was that after the mass rape occurred, the municipality of Cologne issued some kind of documents giving those precautions to women (including the notorious stay at arm distance from strangers ). Boy the backlash Both men and women were NOT pleased, because it's just no how the way it should work, you can't impose yourself 100000x of restrictions because you feel like something might happen to you because you assume the "other" (a man, a white person, a black person, whatever who's your other) will be scary, mean-spirited and is out to do you bad.

Like I'm not telling you to be naive and to think the possibility of the person who's interacting with you is going to be someone who doesn't support you/wants you bad/will be racist does not exist, because this possibility does exist, but girl to make it a PRESUMPTION is a long, long shot.

Like you basically told me that because I'm white I should be seen as a potentiel threat/bad person/not supporting equality rights until I prove otherwise. Great mindset

EDIT :

Ok so look, to give an example.

This is the list of terrorist attack on France's soil the last 20 years



Noticing a trend ?
Ok so now, should I go around and say, well it's up to the muslims to dissociate themselves to islamic extremism because I assume they agree with that until they prove me otherwise ? Is that really how you think ?

Lehman Brothers
Aetna, Inc
JPMorgan Chase
New York Life
N M Rothschild & Sons Bank in London
Norfolk Southern
Well Fargo
FleetBoston
Barclays
etc.

I don't think any intellectual discussion of reparations ever really revolves around individual reparations. We're talking about community reparations. The last slave died in 1971 and the scene he died to was the Civil Rights struggle. But there are children of slaves still alive and beyond that, after slavery was abolished, communities who were directly harmed by discriminatory economic policy from the highest levels of governments.

Black men who lived through a nation that didn't include them in their "New Deal" program during the Great Depression, WW2 veterans who came home to an America that didn't provide financial support and housing like they did their white peers, parents who were relegated to inner cities because banks would not give them loans to move to the suburbs like other Americans, folks who were denied an education and the opportunity to advance their communities. My own university is just celebrating 50 years of black undergraduates this year.

In many ways, large and small, black people were exploited for and then excluded from the prosperity of the nation they live in and helped create. When I talk about reparation, I mean the lost opportunities for a community to prosper. There's no reason why black people should be where they are now, in terms of poverty, other than racism and discrimination (unless you truly believe they are intellectually inferior and lazier human beings). Reparations would be quantifying the EXTENT to which black people were financially displaced, even JUST in the last 100 years (since you're examples are talking about ancient history for some reason), and then setting up well-funded plans to alleviate some of the economic inequality through high quality schools, trade programs, and mentorship to STOP the school to prison pipeline that's a natural result of decades of racial discrimination.

Reparations = put money back into black communities so they can catch up to the rest of America like they should have been all along.

And all those historical examples you gave are low-key abstract. It's difficult to trace the tangible fallouts, and that's not a smart way to talk about reparations. And that's not how smart people who are pro-reparations engage the topic.

We're talking about RECENT actions that caused REAL, MEASURABLE, and DEVASTATING outcomes. For reference, Martin Luther King was assassinated 47 years ago. All his 4 kids are alive and well. To make it more real, Mathew Knowles (Beyonce's dad) integrated his high school. This was all before mass incarceration and the "Drug War". And that was all the above the ground stuff, social things that could be forced to equality quicker. The other things like economic policy happened behind the scenes and fairness was bypassed and still is being bypassed to this day.

Trump not renting to blacks
Bank of America settling $335 million in 2011 for discriminatory practices
Wells Fargo settling $135 million in 2012 for discriminatory practices
etc.

I don't think you understand how much more **** socially, financially, and politically blacks in America have had to deal with and yet are expected not to ask for ANYTHING. Because it's "entitlement" and they should get off their butts and work. That's the definition of "moving forward" for a lot of whites because it means that black folk should shut up and keep suffering. It's easy to want to forget history when you've benefitted from it.

That wasn't why it was ridiculed. It was ridiculed because it appeared to place blame on the woman for the assault. And I'm not talking about official mandates dictating how people interact. I'm speaking solely on the individual level.

You won't find a parent who hasn't advised her daughter on how to respond to and avoid situations with creepy men. Or how to navigate sexist comments. It's the same way you won't find black parents who haven't had conversations to their children about maintaining their self-worth and integrity in the face of racism. Or how to interact with police officers. And these things factor into how we view the world and each other. The presumption isn't of a certain person, it's of the society you live in. And the "presumption" in the case of women, minorities, and LGBT amounts to nothing less than facts. The system is biased against you in "X,Y,Z" ways. So you operate with that in mind.

Now, if people who uphold the system (for women, it's mostly men, minorities its whites, LGBT its straights) proceed in such a way to show you that the system, in fact, isn't stacked against you, some of those preconceptions begin to die. But you literally can't blame disadvantaged people for realizing that they're at a disadvantage. There's no sense in that.

It's not so strong as systemic sexism, racism, and homophobia (cause those have well-oiled machines behind them), but ya, I guess people could pick up some individual prejudice towards Muslim people or their faith. I don't really see it as a bad or good thing. It just happens. Humans pick up on patterns.

And it also speaks to the PC culture we've discussed in this thread about liberals giving Islam a pass due to fear of being labeled "Islamophobia". It's absolutely valid to question the integrity of the faith when you have people not speaking out against atrocious committed in its name.

The stank in cheap threads smiling all through the 2nd video. At least put on a poker face

EDIT: The 3rd video I love how all these islam apologists bring up all these things about Islam being all about love, promoting equality but when confronted with quotes from Quran or how their prophet was a warmongering, slave owning pedophile with a god complex the only thing they come up with is "well, thats your interpretation".

I was just finishing reading The God Delusion book this morning when I woke up. Dawkings mentioned a child called Edgardo Mortara whose parents were Jews, and they were living in Italy where Catholic priests took him from his parents in order to convert him to their faith at such an young age. I was so disgusted at that brainwashing catholics were doing, so horrible
I wish I could turn back time and kick these ugly ass idiots ass! And educate other people, most importantly children. Ughh, here's Wikipedia page on this story if y'all are more interested in this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mortara_case

I think as Lucas said that Hilarty refusing to acknowledge the issue was a really big hit for her. Trump called it as he saw it and as the world saw it while Hillary maintained that PC stance despite the fact that Americas allies in Europe are the ones that are suffering from these things. Everybody should take example from King Sam and Maajid (Even tho Maajid was in my **** list for awhile due to unethical arguments during a debate in intelligence square)

"Islam is the future of tolerance". Yeah let's kill everyone whom we don't tolerate so we don't have to worry about intolerance in the future, yeah?

woo, both of them spilled so much tea too!

Who would have thought Maajid was correct on everything he said for once! And I am shocked both him and Sam wrote a book together
I love how Sam called out that hypocritical christian republican idiot! And both Sam and Maajid were right when they said atheists are less likely to be elected as presidents of the US than muslims. That is such a sad reality of America tbh. Even my flop ass country had agnostic president followed by a female president. US who?

wish SJWs would watch this video, especially focusing on Maajid's part, but they're too dumb to understand facts he's telling in that video about PC and islamic apologism.

That was not the title and you should watch at least the shorter one to get an idea of what they are talking about. The book is basically a dialogue between an Atheist and a former radical islamist turn liberal activist. It's silly to assume that almost 2 billion muslims will suddenly be atheists or convert to christianity. to solve a problem, they need to reach out to the moderate muslims so the same thing happens as it did with Christianity. Advance and move past the militant stages as Europe did after the age of enlightenment.

Maajid gets so much hate from liberals and Muslims yet nobody can actually say what he says that is so bad, they just say he is and thats that

I just don't understand how exactly is one supposed to interpret this as non violent. People saying Islam is a religion of peace always throw around this word but how is calling for slaughter of certain people supposed to be interpreted in a peaceful way.

Great discussion. And it's how I feel.

I think a strong point of Majid's argument is that American Muslims aren't the issue. For a lot of people in the US who've personally interacted with Muslim people, it can feel uncomfortable to hear anyone paint Muslims with a broad brush. Because their personal encounters don't reveal those extreme characterizations of Muslims as terrorists or Islam as oppressive.

What people need to start doing I think is begin acknowledging the shades that exist within Islam. And focus more on applying those secularist liberal views of human rights that we value across the entire religion. Bringing the moderate Muslims into the fold of finding a solution to extremism can help achieve that goal.

The only issue is many Muslims know what's in the Quran and it's probably difficult for them to challenge fundamentalist interpretation of the text. Because there's an argument to be made that it's probably how the religion should be practiced. That the Quran is PRESCRIPTIVE. Whereas Christianity can often spin the Old Testament as a historical account. That it is DESCRIPTIVE. And instead, they live by the New Testament.