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News: Republicans ruin life saving research, abuse doctor
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Originally posted by Darren-5-08
Don't lump us all in with that sort of thinking...
I am a conservative, and I don't care if you are gay, black, disabled or anything. I am totally in favour of birth control, and although I personally disagree with abortion I believe in a woman's right to terminate up to a certain point.
But to harvest the organs of unborn fetuses is an absolute abuse of the medical profession. I cannot believe people actually think this is ethical.
I challenge anyone to witness the trauma of a 16-week miscarriage and still think it appropriate to take the organs from that dead baby.
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Sis, it's not like they're turning those parts into Frankenstein babies
Sorry if someone close to you had a miscarriage, but using the organs from a DEAD fetus is no different than a body that was donated to science.
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Good, I'm happy he isn't torturing rats anymore. I'm certainly not a Republican or a Conservative but I don't feel sorry for him in the least ,
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Member Since: 4/6/2014
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Originally posted by Darren-5-08
Don't lump us all in with that sort of thinking...
I am a conservative, and I don't care if you are gay, black, disabled or anything. I am totally in favour of birth control, and although I personally disagree with abortion I believe in a woman's right to terminate up to a certain point.
But to harvest the organs of unborn fetuses is an absolute abuse of the medical profession. I cannot believe people actually think this is ethical.
I challenge anyone to witness the trauma of a 16-week miscarriage and still think it appropriate to take the organs from that dead baby.
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Good for you for being progressiveish. The party at large loves defunding Planned Parenthood which provides much needed contraceptives, prenatal screenings, std tests and more all because a small percentage of their operations include abortions. And they provide those services at low or no cost to those who need it.
It probably isn't ethical. But a lot of unethical tests and experiments have been done and they've contributed to the advancement of medicine and psychology. As a stanch animals rights activist, I hate the fact that mice and rats are used to test drugs but then without that, do we test on humans? Wouldn't that be less ethical? I know we do test on humans but it's only after enough study on animals.
Also, isn't it unethical to allow people to suffer? If you know you can do something that would alleviate the problem, wouldn't you feel compelled to help? It's not like donor organs are in abundance. If we could grow organs like hearts and kidneys, people wouldn't have to wait (and hope) for somebody to die in a car crash so that they could get a transplant.
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Member Since: 6/29/2012
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Originally posted by Darren-5-08
This thread proves to me the necessity of the Republican party 
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lmao while there is a fine line with the ethicality of what this man is doing, don't act like the republicans are all angels. The republicans call themselves pro-life but do not believe in proper sex education and certainly will not support welfare of the poor. They disregard teen moms who are in need of welfare because they need to "work for it". If they're so pro-life, why don't they help the poor? Most republicans have a stiff upper lip in regards to this topic. 
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Member Since: 3/5/2011
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Originally posted by MusicLoverDude
Sis, it's not like they're turning those parts into Frankenstein babies
Sorry if someone close to you had a miscarriage, but using the organs from a DEAD fetus is no different than a body that was donated to science.
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There's the issue of consent. Given that I read medicine at university, this is one of the most important things they teach us. That's like saying any dead child can have its organs harvested whether they knew it might happen or not, without consulting the child or the parent (both of whom are required to consent in normal cases of organ donation).
This man will have learnt this at university and will have known what he did was absolutely unethical. I hope he spends a long time in prison.
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Originally posted by Can't_M!ss_This
Good for you for being progressiveish. The party at large loves defunding Planned Parenthood which provides much needed contraceptives, prenatal screenings, std tests and more all because a small percentage of their operations include abortions. And they provide those services at low or no cost to those who need it.
It probably isn't ethical. But a lot of unethical tests and experiments have been done and they've contributed to the advancement of medicine and psychology. As a stanch animals rights activist, I hate the fact that mice and rats are used to test drugs but then without that, do we test on humans? Wouldn't that be less ethical? I know we do test on humans but it's only after enough study on animals.
Also, isn't it unethical to allow people to suffer? If you know you can do something that would alleviate the problem, wouldn't you feel compelled to help? It's not like donor organs are in abundance. If we could grow organs like hearts and kidneys, people wouldn't have to wait (and hope) for somebody to die in a car crash so that they could get a transplant.
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I am completely in favour of funding birth control. Just because I agree with the Republicans on this issue doesn't mean I do also on every related one.
As far as letting people suffer... Medicine has to have an ethical code that all must live by. Some of the Nazi experiments generated remarkable results, and could be used for scientific gain today. But we have to live ethically. This falls on the wrong side of a not-so-fine line for me, and I wish people would end this callous attitude towards what is effectively ending a human life and harvesting its organs without consent. To think I always thought consent was important to liberals and feminists 
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tragic. republicans can stay sick
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Originally posted by Can't_M!ss_This
We will have this one day.
It's funny how conservatives love fetuses until they turn out gay or black or poor or disabled or Muslim. Not to mention they don't like birth control. Who's supposed to take care of these children? You don't want to prevent pregnancy, you don't want to end a pregnancy and you don't want gays and lesbians to adopt. But you cut funding to social services.
The worst party in America. Completely lacking in common sense
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MTE.
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Member Since: 3/5/2011
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Originally posted by rivers
lmao while there is a fine line with the ethicality of what this man is doing, don't act like the republicans are all angels. The republicans call themselves pro-life but do not believe in proper sex education and certainly will not support welfare of the poor. They disregard teen moms who are in need of welfare because they need to "work for it". If they're so pro-life, why don't they help the poor? Most republicans have a stiff upper lip in regards to this topic. 
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This is a false equivalency and you know it. Having the opinion that an unborn child is a life and has the right not to be killed before it is born has nothing to do with the poor. No one wants to kill the poor.
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by Darren-5-08
This thread proves to me the necessity of the Republican party 
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Ah yes, everyone needs the party of NO.
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Member Since: 5/27/2016
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I'm surprised it's not ''Trump ruins life saving research, abuses doctor'' since he's apparently worst thing happend in universe
OT: They can **** themselfs
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Member Since: 4/6/2014
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Originally posted by Darren-5-08
I am completely in favour of funding birth control. Just because I agree with the Republicans on this issue doesn't mean I do also on every related one.
As far as letting people suffer... Medicine has to have an ethical code that all must live by. Some of the Nazi experiments generated remarkable results, and could be used for scientific gain today. But we have to live ethically. This falls on the wrong side of a not-so-fine line for me, and I wish people would end this callous attitude towards what is effectively ending a human life and harvesting its organs without consent. To think I always thought consent was important to liberals and feminists 
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I didn't mean to single you or any republican out but just to speak about the party as a whole. My thing is why are human lives so important? We've been here relatively no time and we've caused irreversible harm to the planet. We raise calves to become veal. Like they don't even get to move around because they have to stay soft. That's cruel in my eyes.
I feel as long as any such action is taken before the fetus can feel pain (around 27 weeks) then it makes a better case. I think, therefore I am but if you cannot think are you then not am? How much of a human is a fetus? And no matter if you believe that a fetus is a person or if you believe that it's not, how do you measure the importance of a person who is by all rights and laws a living person with regards to their life? Would it not be a fair trade-off or would it be a violation of natural law? That what begins must end and what is ending must not be stopped? Are we capable, prepared or even allowed to mess with the circle of life?
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Member Since: 3/5/2011
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Originally posted by Can't_M!ss_This
I didn't mean to single you or any republican out but just to speak about the party as a whole. My thing is why are human lives so important? We've been here relatively no time and we've caused irreversible harm to the planet. We raise calves to become veal. Like they don't even get to move around because they have to stay soft. That's cruel in my eyes.
I feel as long as any such action is taken before the fetus can feel pain (around 27 weeks) then it makes a better case. I think, therefore I am but if you cannot think are you then not am? How much of a human is a fetus? And no matter if you believe that a fetus is a person or if you believe that it's not, how do you measure the importance of a person who is by all rights and laws a living person with regards to their life? Would it not be a fair trade-off or would it be a violation of natural law? That what begins must end and what is ending must not be stopped? Are we capable, prepared or even allowed to mess with the circle of life?
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Arguments in your second paragraph ignore the fact that many living humans cannot feel pain or think. People suffer from congenital analgesia, and of course there are a number of brain dead people and people who require life support machines to survive. Should we be allowed to use them as we wish?
The issue for me comes down to consent. If you can't consent, you can't use the tissue. I appreciate you taking the time to compose a reasonable and thought-out argument rather than just toeing the 'Republicans are evil' line.
To be fair also, I'm not even a Republican  I'm from the UK. But I am on the conservative side of the political spectrum, and a lot of my views around the use of human and fetal tissue has come from the things I have seen in my medical studies. I just think it's a big issue that needs to be discussed.
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Member Since: 8/16/2011
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Originally posted by Darren-5-08
I challenge anyone to witness the trauma of a 16-week miscarriage and still think it appropriate to take the organs from that dead baby.
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It's called recycling. 
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Member Since: 4/6/2014
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Originally posted by Darren-5-08
Arguments in your second paragraph ignore the fact that many living humans cannot feel pain or think. People suffer from congenital analgesia, and of course there are a number of brain dead people and people who require life support machines to survive. Should we be allowed to use them as we wish?
The issue for me comes down to consent. If you can't consent, you can't use the tissue. I appreciate you taking the time to compose a reasonable and thought-out argument rather than just toeing the 'Republicans are evil' line.
To be fair also, I'm not even a Republican  I'm from the UK. But I am on the conservative side of the political spectrum, and a lot of my views around the use of human and fetal tissue has come from the things I have seen in my medical studies. I just think it's a big issue that needs to be discussed.
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True. It was right after I woke up so I really didn't feel like covering every scenario. But it's not like this organ growing is even going to happen anytime soon. People can't even see that doctor assisted suicide is a good thing.
I guess this is why most stories involving the distant future paint humans as cold. To advance medicine to the point where we can treat things like organ failure with new organs, we would have to decide that a fetus is just a bag of parts. Look how little stem cell research has advanced. If we didn't have people saying no we would probably we curing paralysis today among other currently incurable conditions.
What we need to focus on is finding the primordial ooze and just pulling people from that
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Member Since: 8/1/2012
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Truly the trash regressive party
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inb4 someone blames Trump
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Trump supporters are so insecure 
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Member Since: 8/7/2015
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Christians stopping progress? Color me shock, they've been doing it for how many thousands of years now?
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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Are they ever not ruining something?

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