And yet when you had an article about "brown men in orange clothing being sexist" you ASSUMED they were Muslims when Islam doesn't even have monks.
That's why your baiting threads get reported.
I didn't "assume", I reported the story because sources claimed that those Pakistanis were muslim faith. Didn't change the fact both religions are sexist and garbage
I thought we already ended this discussion, but I guess some people can't comprehend.
oh and the article was not titled "brown men", nice try pushing your false SJW agenda. Painting muslims as brown people is you, again.
Your first part is just you being purposefully obtuse as you always are with trying to claim that x, y and z are awful in the Middle East and so anything not exactly like it happening elsewhere can't be considered bad too. You might wanna look up what fallacies mean.
and because your racist ass was called out for making incorrect threads where the people weren't Muslim yet you assumed they were for being brown, where you only posts videos of Muslim examples, and you're seen by most as an instigating troll. Christ.
"Purposefully obstuse"? ALQ's comment reflected on what the story was about and he was talking about this specific event and nowhere did he state that trans people are not victims of violence in the West or anything of the sort You're once again spinning his words as you always do with people who say things you don't like. His comment was specifically about the aforementioned story of a man going on TV and asking for the death of his transgender child. The fact that you, as usual, have nothing to reply with shows that ALQ was correct: this scenario is not happening in the West and the discussions needs to be had why this is happening in other places.
And once again you come here with accusations. Not arguments but baseless accusations.
You are exactly the reason no one can discuss anything anymore. You call him and instigating troll yet basically everything you post in here are ad hominems and misrepresentations of what people are actually saying.
"Purposefully obstuse"? ALQ's comment reflected on what the story was about and he was talking about this specific event and nowhere did he state that trans people are not victims of violence in the West or anything of the sort You're once again spinning his words as you always do with people who say things you don't like. His comment was specifically about the aforementioned story of a man going on TV and asking for the death of his transgender child. The fact that you, as usual, have nothing to reply with shows that ALQ was correct: this scenario is not happening in the West and the discussions needs to be had why this is happening in other places.
And once again you come here with accusations. Not arguments but baseless accusations.
You are exactly the reason no one can discuss anything anymore. You call him and instigating troll yet basically everything you post in here are ad hominems and misrepresentations of what people are actually saying.
WOO GIRL, READ HA! SLAY HA! EDUCATE HA!
I doubt he would be throwing around word "racism" or even assume we talked about race if the story was about Ortodox Christians from Ukraine being sexist to women at the airport, but it laters turns out they were actually Catholics doing it. No one would even say that ******** that it's only because "they're white, you assume they were Ortodox because they're white!!11". Girl please
"Purposefully obstuse"? ALQ's comment reflected on what the story was about and he was talking about this specific event and nowhere did he state that trans people are not victims of violence in the West or anything of the sort You're once again spinning his words as you always do with people who say things you don't like. His comment was specifically about the aforementioned story of a man going on TV and asking for the death of his transgender child. The fact that you, as usual, have nothing to reply with shows that ALQ was correct: this scenario is not happening in the West and the discussions needs to be had why this is happening in other places
Alright then
Except THEY complained about how THEY can't post their racist garbage without "getting WPs!!!!" anymore and even ANOTHER USER said there's no need to post the article, as violence on trans people is an issue on its own not intrinsically linked to religious hate.
They then tried the typical thing you neo-con Atheists do in making religion the only evil in the world and they were corrected with facts and reality.
But keep defending your racist friends and your trolling.
yeah because fathers calling out regular people to murder his child in front of him is a everyday experience for transgender people.
I mean, I won't come at you as forceful as Communion, but I will echo his point (which was also my original point) that trans people face discrimination on every front. You don't need a specific example of that exact scenario occurring in the West when you have the mere statistic that trans people are the most murdered group in the US. That in itself is horrific.
Why attempt to tally up points for the gruesomeness of the actual murders? As if we're winning because we're not doing in the name of religion or to that ferocity... we're still doing it.
Which is why I advised that you choose your battles. Some examples get ideas across better. This particular example isn't a cut/dry case of religious overreach. It's mired by a host of other humanitarian conflicts including gender bias, homophobia, and transphobia. So it's hard to push the religious talking point.
I mean, I won't come at you as forceful as Communion, but I will echo his point (which was also my original point) that trans people face discrimination on every front. You don't need a specific example of that exact scenario occurring in the West when you have the mere statistic that trans people are the most murdered group in the US. That in itself is horrific.
Why attempt to tally up points for the gruesomeness of the actual murders? As if we're winning because we're not doing in the name of religion or to that ferocity... we're still doing it.
Which is why I advised that you choose your battles. Some examples get ideas across better. This particular example isn't a cut/dry case of religious overreach. It's mired by a host of other humanitarian conflicts including gender bias, homophobia, and transphobia. So it's hard to push the religious talking point.
It's not a strong example. That's all I'm saying.
Exactly.
That's a huge issue in this thread. No matter intention or not, many people (ALQ, a few other) always present an argument that boils down to: oppression/bigotry is a symptom of religion. Meaning - religion as an idea itself is inherently the cause for all bigotry. As opposed to the belief that religious intolerance is a symptom of bigotry, which flips it and says bigotry can make religion intolerant.
It gets more frustrating when the typical posters in this thread then use this conclusion they've made ("religion = bad and the CAUSE of prejudice") to silence the issues that happen elsewhere. They tell black people racial microaggressions aren't real because Americans are being beheaded in the ME, they tell gay people the oppression they face isn't valid or real in the West because "you could have it 10000x worse in the ME", they say feminism is cancer and invalidate the sexual assault culture there is all over the world because "who cares if a man grabs your ass? you could be gang raped in Sudan or Qatar!!!".
Instead of having the intentions of wanting to end these issues - sexism, racism, homophobia, etc. - they seem to want to tag them to religion to justify their desires to end religion entirely.
Sure, we can have a discussion about how religious belief may modify or change how intolerance manifests, but to claim religion is the root of all bigotry, and use it as a strawman to downplay the prejudice in secular nations (see: downplaying the trans murder rates in the US), you're not trying to stop bigotry and oppression. You're just an Atheist extremist with an agenda.
Sure, post your little article, but if all you will walk away from it is believing it to be a manifestation of religion, and not a manifestation of the evils of transphobia, you want to have a different conversation and the way you are framing things (you as in ALQ, not you) is seen as harmful and biased, even prejudiced in itself by many.
again, you putting a thread about islam with race
It's really started to be embarrassing at this point.
@Sunshine. but why not make a thread about trans issues that face other parts of the world too? ATRL is free to open any type of news thread, why censor this tragic event that happen in Russia? We should be having a discusion about this and we need to! Because this crime was committed in the name of RELIGION. A system that opresses people and teach them that such crimes are okay and justified to do, in their holy book!
@Communion are you seriously becoming a religious apologist now? Just say you're also supporting nacism too, but it also "needs a reform".
But you have now also opened an interesting topic about religion. I personally do not care if someone believes in a flying unicorn, as long as that person doesn't push the imaginary laws and opression to other people that are brainwashed and must follow such bs.
You cannot change religion, you cannot erase homophobic, transphobic, sexist, etc. laws and rules that are made "in the name of god", the same "god" they believe and worship in. I know plenty of people, including some family members that used to be very open snd friendy about LGBT issues, but have since become homophobic and transphobic BECAUSE they become "woke" and started following religion more strictly again. Religion is cancer. Religion is brainwash. People need education. Period.
There are still homophobic/transphobic/racist/sexist Atheists and Agnostics though.
You pretending getting rid of religion will fix all these things is insulting and shows your prejudice.
But you're just gonna reply with something like "SILLY SJW'S THINK THEY'RE OPPRESSED, GO TO QATAR!!! SEE HOW REAL PEOPLE WHO ARE OPPRESSED HAVE IT!! I CAN SAY MICROAGGRESSIONS ARE FAKE! SCIENCE BACKS ME UP!!".
That's a huge issue in this thread. No matter intention or not, many people (ALQ, a few other) always present an argument that boils down to: oppression/bigotry is a symptom of religion. Meaning - religion as an idea itself is inherently the cause for all bigotry. As opposed to the belief that religious intolerance is a symptom of bigotry, which flips it and says bigotry can make religion intolerant.
It gets more frustrating when the typical posters in this thread then use this conclusion they've made ("religion = bad and the CAUSE of prejudice") to silence the issues that happen elsewhere. They tell black people racial microaggressions aren't real because Americans are being beheaded in the ME, they tell gay people the oppression they face isn't valid or real in the West because "you could have it 10000x worse in the ME", they say feminism is cancer and invalidate the sexual assault culture there is all over the world because "who cares if a man grabs your ass? you could be gang raped in Sudan or Qatar!!!".
Instead of having the intentions of wanting to end these issues - sexism, racism, homophobia, etc. - they seem to want to tag them to religion to justify their desires to end religion entirely.
Sure, we can have a discussion about how religious belief may modify or change how intolerance manifests, but to claim religion is the root of all bigotry, and use it as a strawman to downplay the prejudice in secular nations (see: downplaying the trans murder rates in the US), you're not trying to stop bigotry and oppression. You're just an Atheist extremist with an agenda.
Sure, post your little article, but if all you will walk away from it is believing it to be a manifestation of religion, and not a manifestation of the evils of transphobia, you want to have a different conversation and the way you are framing things (you as in ALQ, not you) is seen as harmful and biased, even prejudiced in itself by many.
I get your point, I totally do but as secular as a society can be it's always going to be rooted in religion. And religion is what make us (us as a society) having a hard time to accept trans people, gay people etc, because those people defy the idea of the "perfect" family spread by religion. That's why society has a hard time accepting gay people having kids, or trans people having kids or being accepted. Every society, secular or not, is rooted in religion, it's not because the society became secular that every trace of religion is wiped out. We don't work on Sundays, we celebrate Christian holidays, etc... Religion is not the root of every bigotry but when it comes to subject like this that relates to family one way or another it's pretty hard to not see the religion's bad impact, when you ask people why gay people can't have kids or why they're bothered by trans people they'll tell you things like "it's not the way things are supposed to be" or something of that sort, and "the way it's supposed to be" is rooted in religious teachings.
Except THEY complained about how THEY can't post their racist garbage without "getting WPs!!!!" anymore and even ANOTHER USER said there's no need to post the article, as violence on trans people is an issue on its own not intrinsically linked to religious hate.
They then tried the typical thing you neo-con Atheists do in making religion the only evil in the world and they were corrected with facts and reality.
But keep defending your racist friends and your trolling.
You'll never stop repeating this "he's racist" lie will you? You've been told a million times that the original title of the video that ALQ copied and pasted had the word "muslim" in it. You keep claiming the title was "brown people" and ALQ went out of his way to change it to muslim when that is simply not true. He changed nothing from the title yet you keep repeating to yourself that he did only to discredit and slander him. So, what your post, as usual, boils down to misrepresentations of others and insults. How surprising.
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I miss him and his videos.
Never saw him before but he made great points in the video.
The "what-if-you're-wrong-argument" is such a strange argument to me.
Currently there are an estimated number of "4200 religions, churches, denominations, religious bodies, faith groups, tribes, cultures, movements, ultimate concerns, etc in the world which leaves a roughly 0.02% chance to having picked the correct one. Obviously some of these must overlap,are religions that don't have a hell in the first place or don't believe non-believers don't go to hell but the ultimate point remains the same: picking the correct one is extremely unlikely especially considering that most people simply stay within the religion that is dominant in the geographical area they grew up in.
Funnily when religious people use Pascal's wager they never apply the same thing to themselves.
There is no such thing as true/false/right/wrong religions as religions are basically a progression of each other. They are interrelated and interconnected because they all ultimately came/drew from the same source (Noahide Laws). Newer religions developed from the ones that preceded them, incorporating and improving, correcting, or sometimes distorting some elements of those earlier religions. The different religions are just different cultural expressions of the same Absolute Truth or Ultimate Reality. This also explains the parallelism that exists among religions with it being most apparent in Abrahamic religions as they are the bridge between the earlier Sumerian religions / European paganism, and Dharmic (Indian) / Taoic (East Asian) religions.
There are still homophobic/transphobic/racist/sexist Atheists and Agnostics though.
You pretending getting rid of religion will fix all these things is insulting and shows your prejudice.
But you're just gonna reply with something like "SILLY SJW'S THINK THEY'RE OPPRESSED, GO TO QATAR!!! SEE HOW REAL PEOPLE WHO ARE OPPRESSED HAVE IT!! I CAN SAY MICROAGGRESSIONS ARE FAKE! SCIENCE BACKS ME UP!!".
But nobody teaches those atheists/agnosticts that they must be xenophobic and to opress certain groups of people because of how they are naturally born with. And on average you will find the atheists being the least homophobic, transphobic, racist and sexist group than every other religious group of people that hold such bigoted views.
Is the "science backs me up" part of your trolling post supposed to be a laughing matter of actual facts or? I mean, it's not the first time you ignore science, and didn't you even said in Creationism vs Evolution thread that evolution doesn't concern you? So you don't really care about science and scientific facts, right? What kind of atheist are you tho? Are you really an atheist or you just come to this thread to troll actual atheists from having conversations because as soon as atheists talk about science, you always run away. Loveless asked you a question few pages ago about atheism that you never replied to, among many other atheist and science-related topics. The only time you decide to join this thread is when we talk about islam when you accuse us of "racism" for some weird reason, as if you're not the person who is painting whole group of people who believe in such religion to be a certain skin color, or when we talk about topics about multiple genders. Those are only two times you come to this thread. A sad excuse of being an atheist when even topics about execution of ex-muslims atheists in the middle east is being ignored by you, but oh-no when someone isn't bother by the "microaggresion" in the West, he's "transphobic, homophobic, sexist scum!11", but when murder accures in the middle east, "it's their culture, stop being so racist you alt-right white supremacists neo-nazis11!1". Like...
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You'll never stop repeating this "he's racist" lie will you? You've been told a million times that the original title of the video that ALQ copied and pasted had the word "muslim" in it. You keep claiming the title was "brown people" and ALQ went out of his way to change it to muslim when that is simply not true. He changed nothing from the title yet you keep repeating to yourself that he did only to discredit and slander him. So, what your post, as usual, boils down to misrepresentations of others and insults. How surprising.
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There is no such thing as true/false/right/wrong religions as religions are basically a progression of each other. They are interrelated and interconnected because they all ultimately came/drew from the same source (Noahide Laws). Newer religions developed from the ones that preceded them, incorporating and improving, correcting, or sometimes distorting some elements of those earlier religions. The different religions are just different cultural expressions of the same Absolute Truth or Ultimate Reality. This also explains the parallelism that exists among religions with it being most apparent in Abrahamic religions as they are the bridge between the earlier Sumerian religions / European paganism, and Dharmic (Indian) / Taoic (East Asian) religions.
Of course I'm not an Atheist, as I've said countlessly I'm Agnostic.
And not caring about evolution =/= denying it. I have bigger issues to care about than where humans came from. It's like people who want to prove there's a gay gene, when the focus should just be on focusing on ending homophobia.
And the posters you've deemed "SJWs" say BOTH issues are wrong (oppressive secular societies and oppressive religious societies) and that oppression occurs on a scale relevant to the cultural attitudes of the society it occurs in. You're the one who says if it doesn't manifest in specific ways that it's not "real enough" to you.
Imperialism?
Colonization?
Anti-blackness?
Cultural appropriation?
Gentrification?
All "made-up SJW topics" according to you that "don't compare to religious violence".
Don't you ever dare forget that science has been used to attempt to justify the ideas that black people are sub-human or gays are mentally ill. You have no clue how the real world works. Even if religion has caused attitudes, removing religion won't strip away all the attitudes. The attitudes have mutated and soaked deep enough into society to where people use non-religious justifications and ideas to prop up their bigotry, because prejudice is far greater than the bounds of religion.
Of course I'm not an Atheist, as I've said countlessly I'm Agnostic.
And not caring about evolution =/= denying it. I have bigger issues to care about than where humans came from. It's like people who want to prove there's a gay gene, when the focus should just be on focusing on ending homophobia.
And the posters you've deemed "SJWs" say BOTH issues are wrong (oppressive secular societies and oppressive religious societies) and that oppression occurs on a scale relevant to the cultural attitudes of the society it occurs in. You're the one who says if it doesn't manifest in specific ways that it's not "real enough" to you.
Imperialism?
Colonization?
Anti-blackness?
Cultural appropriation?
Gentrification?
All "made-up SJW topics" according to you that "don't compare to religious violence".
Don't you ever dare forget that science has been used to attempt to justify the ideas that black people are sub-human or gays are mentally ill. You have no clue how the real world works. Even if religion has caused attitudes, removing religion won't strip away all the attitudes. The attitudes have mutated and soaked deep enough into society to where people use non-religious justifications and ideas to prop up their bigotry, because prejudice is far greater than the bounds of religion.
Of course I'm not an Atheist, as I've said countlessly I'm Agnostic.
And not caring about evolution =/= denying it. I have bigger issues to care about than where humans came from. It's like people who want to prove there's a gay gene, when the focus should just be on focusing on ending homophobia.
And the posters you've deemed "SJWs" say BOTH issues are wrong (oppressive secular societies and oppressive religious societies) and that oppression occurs on a scale relevant to the cultural attitudes of the society it occurs in. You're the one who says if it doesn't manifest in specific ways that it's not "real enough" to you.
Imperialism?
Colonization?
Anti-blackness?
Cultural appropriation?
Gentrification?
All "made-up SJW topics" according to you that "don't compare to religious violence".
Don't you ever dare forget that science has been used to attempt to justify the ideas that black people are sub-human or gays are mentally ill. You have no clue how the real world works. Even if religion has caused attitudes, removing religion won't strip away all the attitudes. The attitudes have mutated and soaked deep enough into society to where people use non-religious justifications and ideas to prop up their bigotry, because prejudice is far greater than the bounds of religion.
the only SJWs stuff I disagree with are mostly stupid concept such as "cultural appropriation". Culture is a human-made concept and one group of people should not get banned from doing stuff that other cultures does if it doesn't affect anyone in any negative way. Science was prohibited by the church, so those "scientists" have to rule in the favor of what Catholic church wants. The actual scientists who dared to prove otherwise were killed, jailed or lost their jobs for proving otherwise controversial things. Science never told us that non-white are lesser humans nor that gay people are mentally ill, the religious scientists did. And yeah, I actually agree with your last sentance, you made a very good point. Obviously not all people are the same, you can teach people to not steal, that doesn't mean there wouldn't be ONE person who would do the exact opposite. People are still ignorant on many things, that are not even related with religion really!
There is no such thing as a reasonable SJW. SJWs are extremists and they are no better than extremist on the right. They are perhaps even more dangerous than extremists on the right because everyone sees those people for what they are yet we somehow turn a blind eye to extremist people on the left. People need to understand that most people who speak out against SJWs don't believe that society is perfect or that there are no social inequalities that need to be dicussed. Being anti-SJW does not mean you are anti social justice and I applaud anyone who tries to make a difference regarding real issues and puts their time and effort into that. SJWs are not that.
SJW are are a very particular kind of liberal extremists who are regressive in nature and promote divisiveness in society.They are the type of people who seek for problems that don't exist,find misleading evidence for it and then attack everyone who criticizes them. They are the ones who push people into a victim mentality that does them no favors. They are the type of people who get people fired over jokes. They are the ones who want to get ridd of due process on college campuses. They are the ones who cheer for themselves when they get a speaker blocked from campus effectively going against free speech, possibly the most liberal principle in history. Nobody should be more outspoken against these people than liberals just like nobody should be more outspoken against extremists on the right than conservatives. These people are running amok under the same label you use and the **** they spew inevitably sticks to you as well.
