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Discussion: Are Romani people misunderstood?
Member Since: 4/14/2011
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Originally posted by Jan
I disagree partly, not because I'm not accepting of non-Western lifestyles, but some cultures are barbaric. But that's a separate issue not to be discussed here.

Secondly, the Gypsies are mostly concentrated in Central and South-Eastern Europe, not Eastern Europe. Meanwhile, you're bashing me for being general about a population group. So be precise if you're making such a sweeping statement without any further explanation.
And the answer to other statement depends mostly on one's political views, mine are "integrate or get out".
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Not you picking a technicality. Anyone considers Serbia, Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria, etc. to be part of Eastern Europe
Anyhow, "integrate or get out" is unreasonable. Why do you, provided you have committed no crimes, have more rights than a person who was also born in the same country as you but has a different culture? Even if you want to integrate people, lots of things need to be considered. You cannot just force people.
@Paul McCutie, I learned a lot from what you're saying in this thread as you have firsthand experience with Roma people.
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Member Since: 8/7/2015
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Originally posted by Paul McCutie
i know it's not funny but 
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Originally posted by Diarrhoea
it was a perfect illusion
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Well there's a drug that can hypnotize you yall. It's in colombia & it's cheap.
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Member Since: 8/7/2015
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Most of them are ****ing nasty, at least in Croatia. And law protects the **** out of them. They can literally do anything and it won't be their fault. Ugh. 
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
Posts: 39,572
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Originally posted by Blue Jeans
Google it. It's a very real thing. I was shocked when I experienced it
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Here is an example of how Gypsy Hypnosis really works best on midlle aged women or men... (or because they likely to have money). A victim surrrounded by at least two gypsys offering fortune-telling for free! People not in the know agree: "hey, what am I to lose? it's free" so here it begins. One gypsy looks at the hand of a victim and with scared face informs that terrible things are about to happen to a victim or victim's family member, usually child or mother. The other gypsy confirms that what the first gipsy is saying is all true. (distracts victim's conscious mind) The hooked victim at this time starts to feel lost, disoriented, overloaded with information, asks for more details. At this point the details cost $$$. Opening a wallet will have gypsies well informed how much time contitune to spend on this sucker. The gypsy w/o shame (or maybe with it) informs that the victims child/mother is about to get a terrible desease/sickness/cancer. The other gypsys confirms:"It's all true what she said, you better listen... and if you want to find out more, give $100" The victim shocked by the news, already is in total deep sh.. trance. It takes not too long for gypsys continue the described scheme above, to take all victims money and jewelry. It may take a couple of minutes (enough for gypsys to hide) for a victim to get out of trance and fully realize what happened.
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how ****ing stupid does one have to be to fall for this crap
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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Originally posted by Diarrhoea
how ****ing stupid does one have to be to fall for this crap
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Most people are inexperienced and never had their "first time"
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It may take a couple of minutes (enough for gypsys to hide) for a victim to get out of trance and fully realize what happened.
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Member Since: 5/27/2016
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What race are they classified as? I always thought their origins were from South Asia, but I honestly don't know too much. At this point, I've seen white and brown gypsies.
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Member Since: 8/7/2015
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Originally posted by LoKoPaNdA
Not you picking a technicality. Anyone considers Serbia, Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria, etc. to be part of Eastern Europe
Anyhow, "integrate or get out" is unreasonable. Why do you, provided you have committed no crimes, have more rights than a person who was also born in the same country as you but has a different culture? Even if you want to integrate people, lots of things need to be considered. You cannot just force people.
@Paul McCutie, I learned a lot from what you're saying in this thread as you have firsthand experience with Roma people.
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Not anyone. Mostly uninformed Westerners, who have zero idea about the cultures of any of these respective countries. This statement is inaccurate politically, culturally (maybe except for Romania and Bulgaria) and most importantly, geographically. Just because something is heard doesn't mean it's true or accurate.
The answer to the second statement is slightly off-topic, but my vision of a country is a kind of a contract between people living on a certain territory. It is unclear whether it's a country that forms a nation or a nation that forms a country, but either ways, countries, in which people don't, or didn't develop a sense of national identity usually don't survive or are very unstable (see USSR, Yugoslavia, Austria-Hungary etc.). Minorities always make the state weaker and, while the rights for the indigenous people living on a certain territory should be preserved, there is nothing wrong and everything correct with controlling any extra immigration to make it benefit the country. The state is obliged to provide for its citizens only. There is no logical or moral obligation for it to help anyone else.
Multiculturalism in Western Europe isn't working well, especially with Muslims, many of whom tend to isolate themselves in secluded areas, where they don't follow the law and customs of a country. See France or (especially) Sweden. So if a person wants to enter such a contract - gaining the rights and obligations of a resident of a respective state - they should integrate into that nation. If not, they should leave.
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Member Since: 4/14/2011
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Countries where diverse ethnicities thrive can be and are successful. Look at Switzerland, Belgium or even Spain with the Catalan, Galician and Basque people. I don't understand why you are bringing immigration and insisting this is a Central/Southern Europe problem--the Romanis living there are probably not even immigrants. They were born there and have been inhabited those territories for centuries (you said this yourself).
I don't think diversity/minorities are what makes countries weaker.  But some strong countries seem to strive towards equality often...
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Member Since: 8/7/2015
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Originally posted by LoKoPaNdA
Countries where diverse ethnicities thrive can be and are successful. Look at Switzerland, Belgium or even Spain with the Catalan, Galician and Basque people. I don't understand why you are bringing immigration and insisting this is a Central/Southern Europe problem--the Romanis living there are probably not even immigrants. They were born there and have been inhabited those territories for centuries (you said this yourself).
I don't think diversity/minorities are what makes countries weaker.  But some strong countries seem to strive towards equality often...
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Switzerland is an oddity indeed. However, its citizens all consider themselves to be Swiss and have a common culture despite speaking four different languages. The other two countries you named are bad examples - as both are constantly challenged with separatisms. In fact, Spain owes its economic development to times when it was a military dictatorship which did not tolerate Catalan or Basque separatisms and promoted Castellano-Spanish language and identity.
I said this is off-topic, but you asked so I replied.  Don't blame the derailment of this on me now, you should have asked it privately or put it in a context of this discussion.
Of course, the Romani people are indigenous but they did not contribute to the statehood, culture or history of the respective countries they've lived in at all. They played absolutely no role in history of any European country. In fact, they mostly had bad reputations as an ethnic group and are still seen so today. Their culture is just not compatible or even tolerable when in touch with any European culture and for that reason, they shouldn't be given minority rights.
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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Not really... they force their children to beg on the street instead of sending them to school to attempt to break the cycle of poverty that they are stuck in. They get by through scams when they’ve had hundreds of years to adapt into being contributors to modern society.
Poor Europe getting stuck with the beggars while American immigrants are hard working and prosper from the advantages that the USA has to offer. Do better Europe!
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Member Since: 8/18/2013
Posts: 2,070
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Originally posted by Jan
Switzerland is an oddity indeed. However, its citizens all consider themselves to be Swiss and have a common culture despite speaking four different languages. The other two countries you named are bad examples - as both are constantly challenged with separatisms. In fact, Spain owes its economic development to times when it was a military dictatorship which did not tolerate Catalan or Basque separatisms and promoted Castellano-Spanish language and identity.
I said this is off-topic, but you asked so I replied.  Don't blame the derailment of this on me now, you should have asked it privately or put it in a context of this discussion.
Of course, the Romani people are indigenous but they did not contribute to the statehood, culture or history of the respective countries they've lived in at all. They played absolutely no role in history of any European country. In fact, they mostly had bad reputations as an ethnic group and are still seen so today. Their culture is just not compatible or even tolerable when in touch with any European culture and for that reason, they shouldn't be given minority rights.
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So now were going to strip away Roma's contribution to European history?  Pablo Picasso? Mother Theresa? Charlie Chaplin?
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Member Since: 6/6/2012
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I used to work with a gypsy girl and she was one of the best workers we had, until she was forced to quit by her family because a girl "shouldn't have a job".
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