3:06 always used to freak me out when I first discovered his catalog. But that's the point, to jolt you in case you got distracted by other things while the song was playing. It's the music's way of saying "EXCUSE ME. I'm not done talking."
King knew how to work an audience then
That song to me remains his most important record of his entire career.
But switching subjects, can we discuss this groove bop from the REMIX album
Guys, we're getting stuff for THRILLER next year. 35 years.
It involved the Thriller video. A 3D release was rumored for a while now. Some people on forums say they're compiling a Thriller special that includes:
Michael Jackson's Thriller - remastered in HD (!!!!) and a 3D version
Michael Jackson's Thriller (2009) - full effects version of Michael's Thriller intro film he made for This Is It
Making Thriller - 1 hour documentary with B-roll footage from production and planning.
Reviewing Thriller - Spike Lee documentary with Quincy and those who made Thriller (album and video) and how it changed the music industry, popular culture and the world
Re-release CD with new demos.
Guys, we're getting stuff for THRILLER next year. 35 years.
It involved the Thriller video. A 3D release was rumored for a while now. Some people on forums say they're compiling a Thriller special that includes:
Michael Jackson's Thriller - remastered in HD (!!!!) and a 3D version
Michael Jackson's Thriller (2009) - full effects version of Michael's Thriller intro film he made for This Is It
Making Thriller - 1 hour documentary with B-roll footage from production and planning.
Reviewing Thriller - Spike Lee documentary with Quincy and those who made Thriller (album and video) and how it changed the music industry, popular culture and the world
Re-release CD with new demos.
I'll update as I find out more.
Yea I heard about this on another site. The only problem I have with the movie is that's it's from John Landis's shady ass. I'd rather it be coming from the estate but I know i'll probably watch it regardless. Still don't like it though.
Also "Making Thriller." What's the point of this when we already have "The Making Of Thriller" from 35 years ago. Just seems a bit redundant.
Meh at us getting more Thriller stuff instead of Dangerous but I am excitied about the new unreleased material. My thoughts on Thriller era unreleased tracks are mixed though. Carousel was beautiful but Got The Hots was trash so we'll see. Is this the 2017 release they were talking about?
It's an Estate project, but Landis playing a role surely means it's B-roll stuff included.
Spike Lee has wanted to do a Thriller doc since Bad25 so it makes sense. To be honest, they're looking at commercial viability. Thriller's name sells, so does the MV... Dangerous less so, unfortunately.
I heard they were aiming for a full posthumous release, but if this is a full project it will count as the final release under the current Sony deal (which will get renewed anyway).
How disappointing that Dangerous once again seems to get the short end of the stick, but I'll of course be checking for this project, and a documentary a la Bad 25 will be incredible.
ABSOLUTELY. One of the few adjustments I've made to his catalog is to include this on Bad (sorry Just Good Friends), but in a 3:57 version because this does not need to be 6 minutes long.
I always look back at Bad and want more if I'm honest. It's not that the singles weren't killer, they were...but he wanted another Thriller mania and it showed. The sound belonged in 1982. There was a lot more growth in Dangerous.
It's an Estate project, but Landis playing a role surely means it's B-roll stuff included.
Spike Lee has wanted to do a Thriller doc since Bad25 so it makes sense. To be honest, they're looking at commercial viability. Thriller's name sells, so does the MV... Dangerous less so, unfortunately.
I heard they were aiming for a full posthumous release, but if this is a full project it will count as the final release under the current Sony deal (which will get renewed anyway).
Yea but it's just I feel like everything to say about Thriller has literally already been said, unlike it how it was for Bad and especially Off The Wall. We've heard a lot of the stories, I don't know what else we could possibly learn about it.
I'm sure Spike will do a good job as always and I'll definitely watch but Thriller and the story behind it just seems so... done already.
^Agree, I'll watch but would have preferred 90s material. I would kill for HIStory BTS stuff. There is no way there isn't hours of stuff in vaults, Sony were kissing his ass at that time and they would have paid whatever he wanted so there's bound to be lots of B-rolls from videos and promo films, concert rehearsals, the cancelled "One Night Only" HBO show, the statues and of course imagine if he had darker songs he wrote about the media and his life
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I always look back at Bad and want more if I'm honest. It's not that the singles weren't killer, they were...but he wanted another Thriller mania and it showed. The sound belonged in 1982. There was a lot more growth in Dangerous.
I mean, can you blame him? By the time they began sessions on Bad, Thriller had already become the biggest selling album ever! It changed him from "Michael Jackson, the former Motown artist who fronted the Jackson 5" to "MICHAEL JACKSON!"
He went for the same formula with more subtle changes. Bad trades in more of the R&B for pop.
^Agree, I'll watch but would have preferred 90s material. I would kill for HIStory BTS stuff. There is no way there isn't hours of stuff in vaults, Sony were kissing his ass at that time and they would have paid whatever he wanted so there's bound to be lots of B-rolls from videos and promo films, concert rehearsals, the cancelled "One Night Only" HBO show, the statues and of course imagine if he had darker songs he wrote about the media and his life
I mean, can you blame him? By the time they began sessions on Bad, Thriller had already become the biggest selling album ever! It changed him from "Michael Jackson, the former Motown artist who fronted the Jackson 5" to "MICHAEL JACKSON!"
He went for the same formula with more subtle changes. Bad trades in more of the R&B for pop.
True. Bad is by far the closest he ever came to making pure pop music even though it's still not quite there. Even though I probably use Bad more there is no way in hell it should be more critically acclaimed than HIStory. Just goes to show how biased critics were against him in the 90s and 00s and a big reason why I don't acknowledge or care about their opinions at all.
I would kill for some unreleased HIStory songs, his songwriting during that era was just pure genius but I guess i'll be alright with Thriller. At least we're getting 80s unreleased songs again instead of 90s like with Xscape. I just wish we could have gotten some unreleased songs from OTW earlier this year though too.
Someone said something really interesting about Michael's difficulties recording music in Thriller's shadow.
Thriller was the time in his life when the world made the most sense. Michael was taught that good music with good performances and good promotion would inevitably produce a hit record. And he came up in this talent show world with a father who considered 'second place' to be 'first loser.'
With Off The Wall, Michael's goal was to produce a great album and a hit album, and one that would show the world he was an adult and a real artist who didn't need his brothers to be viable. And he succeeded on every count, Off The Wall was the biggest black album of all time prior to Thriller. And he told people, 'I want Thriller to be the biggest selling album of all time,' and he worked hard to try and make sure no one in the industry would be able to ignore it when it came out. And it became the biggest selling album of all time, and he won all of those industry awards, the Grammys, all of the acknowledgement he craved.
It makes sense that he went into Bad and Dangerous and so on thinking that, if he had clear goals in his mind, and worked on those albums until he felt they were able to achieve those goals, that they would exceed Thriller's success. He'd achieved all of his dreams thus far. So when those albums inevitably failed to meet the impossible bar set by Thriller, it didn't compute in some part of his mind.
Journalist Anthony DeCurtis recalls doing a cover story on Janet Jackson for Rolling Stone and said she couldn't grasp the concept of one day recording a great album that didn't sell well. He said he asked her about that hypothetical situation and she looked at him with a "benign, quizzical smile" as if he'd begun speaking in a foreign language that she couldn't be expected to understand.
Michael was the same way. I think the three full-length follow-ups to Thriller show consistent artistic growth and I don't believe he tried replicating Thriller's tone on Bad. Bad is more interesting album, its thematic and sonic scopes are broader. Michael just didn't understand the zeitgeist; in particular that magic alchemy that makes something a phenomenon, that compels the general public to jump in and be a part of it.
I mean, can you blame him? By the time they began sessions on Bad, Thriller had already become the biggest selling album ever! It changed him from "Michael Jackson, the former Motown artist who fronted the Jackson 5" to "MICHAEL JACKSON!"
He went for the same formula with more subtle changes. Bad trades in more of the R&B for pop.
Like I say the singles are killer. imo His best singles lineup ever. And it is a good album, and showed him that there could not quite be another Thriller which may have factored into the more artistic push for Dangerous and especially HIStory. I can't blame him, it's just not his best work. I can think of many artists who could have seen what worked and kept it, to their detriment. The Bodyguard to My Love Is Your Love comes to mind.
For me.
