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Chart Listings: Billboard Charts (October 9-16, 2016)
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Originally posted by alexanderao
I wouldn't call it "random." Radio has been a big part of music consumption for many decades now, and it hasn't lost popularity with the advent of sales and streaming. Radio is the primary source of consumption for some people, and there are way more people consuming the most popular songs through radio each day than there are streaming and buying them, so the component is naturally going to have a significant influence on the Hot 100.
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I agree radio is important and that it's how a lot of people consume music. But what's the point of a song being big on radio if it's not leading to more streams and sales or if people probably just switch the station when the song comes on? Does that really make the song a hit? If radio was truly playing what the GP wanted to hear by basing airplay on callout scores, requests, and success in sales/streaming, then that's different. But we all know airplay is heavily dependent on payola. It's bad enough that big artists are able to get more exposure for their music through payola. Why make the playing field even more uneven by making radio such a huge part of the Hot 100 equation?
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I fell like @ThugginGrande wouldn't be so mad at radio power if Ariana would be doing good there 
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Originally posted by ThugginGrande
I agree radio is important and that it's how a lot of people consume music. But what's the point of a song being big on radio if it's not leading to more streams and sales or if people probably just switch the station when the song comes on? Does that really make the song a hit? If radio was truly playing what the GP wanted to hear by basing airplay on callout scores, requests, and success in sales/streaming, then that's different. But we all know airplay is heavily dependent on payola. It's bad enough that big artists are able to get more exposure for their music through payola. Why make the playing field even more uneven by making radio such a huge part of the Hot 100 equation?
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Callout scores and consumer success both matter when it comes to how successful a song is on radio. Callout surveys cost lots of money to commission and carry out, so it wouldn't make sense for radio stations to ignore them. There are songs that do badly on callouts but still end up having success on radio, and that is because they are very successful on sales and/or streaming (Hotline Bling & I Took A Pill In Ibiza are good examples of this). We know that programmers make these decisions because we never see songs flop on both callouts and consumer metrics and then do so well on radio that they become legitimate hits. I agree that this would be unfair, but it doesn't really happen.
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Originally posted by UNNAMI
I fell like @ThugginGrande wouldn't be so mad at radio power if Ariana would be doing good there |
She has done well there this era. DW went #4 overall and IY #12.
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2016 Building Year-End Chart
Week #47/52
(90% so far)
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Justin Bieber
Justin Bieber
Adele
twenty one pilots
Drake
Rihanna
Desiigner
The Chainsmokers
Lukas Graham
Flo Rida
Justin Timberlake
Mike Posner
Fifth Harmony
Sia
DNCE
G-Eazy x Bebe Rexha
Rihanna
Calvin Harris
ZAYN
Drake
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"Love Yourself"
"Hello"
"Stressed Out"
"One Dance (feat. Wizkid & Kyla)"
"Work (feat. Drake)"
"Panda"
"Don't Let Me Down (feat. Daya)"
"7 Years"
"My House"
"CAN'T STOP THE FEELING!"
"I Took A Pill In Ibiza"
"Work From Home (feat. Ty Dolla $ign)"
"Cheap Thrills (feat. Sean Paul)"
"Cake By The Ocean"
"Me, Myself & I"
"Needed Me"
"This Is What You Came For (feat. Rihanna)"
"PILLOWTALK"
"Hotline Bling" |
10,907
10,716
9,740
8,889
8,859 (+150)
8,741
8,022 (+103)
7,267 (+180)
6,761
6,726
6,527 (+135)
6,428
6,285 (+82)
6,181 (+206)
6,139
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5,955 (+151)
5,597 (+171)
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"Hello" still top 3 
Only 5 weeks left
Ger do you think Hello will finish in the top 3 for the Billboard year end charts? 
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Needed me will finish around #14 or #13 probably 
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Ger do you think Hello will finish in the top 3 for the Billboard year end charts? |
Oh definetely, OD is going down, it should get like 600 points in these last 5 weeks, it's getting there, but I believe "Hello" is safe. ALTHOUGH it could end out of Top 3 on BB. I'm not quite sure if they're going to convert the points before the latest formula. There are 10 weeks of old formula. My methodology is just to add overall points for each week with the corresponding formula. If they use one formula (the latest one), then the old hits are gonna decrease. For example, in case they do it, the Top 5 right now should be looking like:
1. Love Yourself 9,777
2. Sorry 9,424
3. One Dance 8,859
4. Work 8,741
5. Stressed Out 8,459
6. Hello 8,212
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I'm doing my search, but if someone knows, I'd appreciate. How does BB Year-End work when there were at least 2 different formulas for overall points on Hot 100? Do they use just both formulas and add overall points with each formula in the corresponding weeks, or they convert all those points to one single formula? Don't remember what has happened for example in 2013
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Originally posted by Ger-55
I'm doing my search, but if someone knows, I'd appreciate. How does BB Year-End work when there were at least 2 different formulas for overall points on Hot 100? Do they use just both formulas and add overall points with each formula in the corresponding weeks, or they convert all those points to one single formula? Don't remember what has happened for example in 2013
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My guess is that they just use both formulas that were used during that period? For example, remember in 2013 when they added YouTube and Harlem Shake had a massive run at #1 - it still ended up at #4 on the YEC  I would imagine that they just kept the points from the activity (using old formula) starting December 1 through whenever they implemented the change (which I believe was early March) and used the new formula that included the YouTube data.
That's just my logical guess
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Final predictions
1. Closer 525 (=) -5%
2. Starboy 389 (=) -3%
3. Heathens 341 (=)
4. Let Me Love You 276 (+1)
5. 24k Magic 270 (debut)
6. Broccoli 253 (=)
7. Cold Water 249 (-3)
8. Treat You Better 212 (-1)
9. Cheap Thrills 201 (-1)
10. Side To Side 183 (+2)
11. Don't Let Me Down 173 (-2)
12. I Hate U I Love U 173 (-2)
13. This Is What You Came For 162 (-2)
14. Gold 160 (-1)
15. Ride 158 (-1)
16. Send My Love 145 (+1)
17. Needed Me 143 (-2)
18. Starving 140 (+2)
19. One Dance 140 (-3)
20. Luv 136 (+2)
 21-100
21. Can't Stop The Feeling 135 (+2)
22. Too Good 130 (-3)
23. Sucker For Pain 126 (+1)
24. We Don't Talk Anymore 125 (-3)
25. Hymn For The Weekend 123 (+1)
26. The Greatest 119 (+1)
27. Ooouuu 118 (+2)
28. Sit Still, Look Pretty 113 (+4)
29. Unsteady 111 (+1)
30. My Way 110 (-2)
31. Black Beatles 106 (+7)
32. Panda 104 (+1)
33. Setting The World On Fire 97 (+1)
34. Into You 96 (-3)
35. Tiimmy Turner 94 (=)
36. Caroline 91 (+8)
37. Do You Mind 88 (+15)
38. Blue Ain't Your Color 88 (+7)
39. In The Name Of Love 88 (+2)
40. Scars To Your Beautiful 87 (+6)
41. All We Know 87 (-23)
42. Juju On Dat Beat 87 (+47) *would have it at #10 with Youtube included*
43. Chill Bill 87 (-3)
44. Controlla 85 (-8)
45. For Free 84 (-8)
46. No Limit 82 (-7)
47. Middle Of A Memory 80 (+6)
48. Work From Home 79 (-6)
49. Just Like Fire 79 (-6)
50. Pick Up The Phone 78 (-2)
51. It Don't Hurt Like It Used To 78 (-1)
52. No Problem 78 (-1)
53. I Know Somebody 77 (+5)
54. Move 72 (+1)
55. One Night 70 (+2)
56. This Town 68 (-31)
57. Love Me Now 68 (debut)
58. May We All 68 (+1)
59. Come And See Me 63 (+6)
60. Fade 62 (-6)
61. This Girl 61 (-14)
62. A Little More Summertime 60 (+4)
63. Too Much Sauce 60 (+8)
64. Rock On 59 (-2)
65. Vice 59 (-1)
66. Sleep Without You 58 (+4)
67. Money Longer 58 (+1)
68. You Don't Own Me 56 (+19)
69. X 56 (+3)
70. Today 52 (debut)
71. I Met A Girl 51 (-10)
72. You Was Right 51 (+6)
73. All Time Low 50 (debut)
74. Key To The Streets 50 (+9)
75. Different For Girls 49 (-8)
76. Fresh Eyes 48 (+21)
77. Million Reasons 48 (debut)
78. Song For Another Time 48 (+14)
79. HandClap 45 (+5)
80. Pen Pineapple Apple Pen 45 (debut)
81. Wishing 45 (-4)
82. Hold Up 45 (-1)
83. That Part 44 (+5)
84. CRZY 43 (+1)
85. Wanna Be That Song 43 (+13)
86. Peter Pan 43 (-6)
87. Mercy 43 (-11)
88. All In My Head 43 (-9)
89. Perfect Illusion 42 (-20)
90. Wat U Mean 42 (-8)
91. Make You Miss Me 42 (-5)
92. You & Me 42 (-17)
93. Gangsta 42 (+2)
94. Capsize 41 (-1)
95. I Got The Keys 41 (-5)
96. Goosebumbs 41 (=)
97. Cranes In The Sky 41 (-23)
98. Forever Country 41 (-25)
99. Why You Always Hatin? 40 (=)
100. 80s Mercedes 40 (debut)
Others
Dirty Laundry 39
Kids 38
Ain't My Fault 37
Cool Girl 35
Say It 35
Sex With Me 32
False Alarm 29
Love On The Brain 22
That's My Girl 18
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Dirty Laundry 39
dddd really
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Quote:
Originally posted by Tylerbv
Dirty Laundry 39
dddd really
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It certainly has a chance to debut
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Quote:
Originally posted by simmnfierzig
Final predictions
1. Closer 525 (=) -5%
2. Starboy 389 (=) -3%
3. Heathens 341 (=)
4. Let Me Love You 276 (+1)
5. 24k Magic 270 (debut)
6. Broccoli 253 (=)
7. Cold Water 249 (-3)
8. Treat You Better 212 (-1)
9. Cheap Thrills 201 (-1)
10. Side To Side 183 (+2)
11. Don't Let Me Down 173 (-2)
12. I Hate U I Love U 173 (-2)
13. This Is What You Came For 162 (-2)
14. Gold 160 (-1)
15. Ride 158 (-1)
16. Send My Love 145 (+1)
17. Needed Me 143 (-2)
18. Starving 140 (+2)
19. One Dance 140 (-3)
20. Luv 136 (+2)
21-100
21. Can't Stop The Feeling 135 (+2)
22. Too Good 130 (-3)
23. Sucker For Pain 126 (+1)
24. We Don't Talk Anymore 125 (-3)
25. Hymn For The Weekend 123 (+1)
26. The Greatest 119 (+1)
27. Ooouuu 118 (+2)
28. Sit Still, Look Pretty 113 (+4)
29. Unsteady 111 (+1)
30. My Way 110 (-2)
31. Black Beatles 106 (+7)
32. Panda 104 (+1)
33. Setting The World On Fire 97 (+1)
34. Into You 96 (-3)
35. Tiimmy Turner 94 (=)
36. Caroline 91 (+8)
37. Do You Mind 88 (+15)
38. Blue Ain't Your Color 88 (+7)
39. In The Name Of Love 88 (+2)
40. Scars To Your Beautiful 87 (+6)
41. All We Know 87 (-23)
42. Juju On Dat Beat 87 (+47) *would have it at #10 with Youtube included*
43. Chill Bill 87 (-3)
44. Controlla 85 (-8)
45. For Free 84 (-8)
46. No Limit 82 (-7)
47. Middle Of A Memory 80 (+6)
48. Work From Home 79 (-6)
49. Just Like Fire 79 (-6)
50. Pick Up The Phone 78 (-2)
51. It Don't Hurt Like It Used To 78 (-1)
52. No Problem 78 (-1)
53. I Know Somebody 77 (+5)
54. Move 72 (+1)
55. One Night 70 (+2)
56. This Town 68 (-31)
57. Love Me Now 68 (debut)
58. May We All 68 (+1)
59. Come And See Me 63 (+6)
60. Fade 62 (-6)
61. This Girl 61 (-14)
62. A Little More Summertime 60 (+4)
63. Too Much Sauce 60 (+8)
64. Rock On 59 (-2)
65. Vice 59 (-1)
66. Sleep Without You 58 (+4)
67. Money Longer 58 (+1)
68. You Don't Own Me 56 (+19)
69. X 56 (+3)
70. Today 52 (debut)
71. I Met A Girl 51 (-10)
72. You Was Right 51 (+6)
73. All Time Low 50 (debut)
74. Key To The Streets 50 (+9)
75. Different For Girls 49 (-8)
76. Fresh Eyes 48 (+21)
77. Million Reasons 48 (debut)
78. Song For Another Time 48 (+14)
79. HandClap 45 (+5)
80. Pen Pineapple Apple Pen 45 (debut)
81. Wishing 45 (-4)
82. Hold Up 45 (-1)
83. That Part 44 (+5)
84. CRZY 43 (+1)
85. Wanna Be That Song 43 (+13)
86. Peter Pan 43 (-6)
87. Mercy 43 (-11)
88. All In My Head 43 (-9)
89. Perfect Illusion 42 (-20)
90. Wat U Mean 42 (-8)
91. Make You Miss Me 42 (-5)
92. You & Me 42 (-17)
93. Gangsta 42 (+2)
94. Capsize 41 (-1)
95. I Got The Keys 41 (-5)
96. Goosebumbs 41 (=)
97. Cranes In The Sky 41 (-23)
98. Forever Country 41 (-25)
99. Why You Always Hatin? 40 (=)
100. 80s Mercedes 40 (debut)
Others
Dirty Laundry 39
Kids 38
Ain't My Fault 37
Cool Girl 35
Say It 35
Sex With Me 32
False Alarm 29
Love On The Brain 22
That's My Girl 18
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WOW... how many weeks will Closer get at No. 1 until Starboy bumps it!?!?!
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Originally posted by MexicanLiLMonster
WOW... how many weeks will Closer get at No. 1 until Starboy bumps it!?!?!
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12 weeks should absolutely happen, but I'm not sure if Starboy will really go #1
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Quote:
Originally posted by simmnfierzig
Final predictions
1. Closer 525 (=) -5%
2. Starboy 389 (=) -3%
3. Heathens 341 (=)
4. Let Me Love You 276 (+1)
5. 24k Magic 270 (debut)
6. Broccoli 253 (=)
7. Cold Water 249 (-3)
8. Treat You Better 212 (-1)
9. Cheap Thrills 201 (-1)
10. Side To Side 183 (+2)
11. Don't Let Me Down 173 (-2)
12. I Hate U I Love U 173 (-2)
13. This Is What You Came For 162 (-2)
14. Gold 160 (-1)
15. Ride 158 (-1)
16. Send My Love 145 (+1)
17. Needed Me 143 (-2)
18. Starving 140 (+2)
19. One Dance 140 (-3)
20. Luv 136 (+2)
21-100
21. Can't Stop The Feeling 135 (+2)
22. Too Good 130 (-3)
23. Sucker For Pain 126 (+1)
24. We Don't Talk Anymore 125 (-3)
25. Hymn For The Weekend 123 (+1)
26. The Greatest 119 (+1)
27. Ooouuu 118 (+2)
28. Sit Still, Look Pretty 113 (+4)
29. Unsteady 111 (+1)
30. My Way 110 (-2)
31. Black Beatles 106 (+7)
32. Panda 104 (+1)
33. Setting The World On Fire 97 (+1)
34. Into You 96 (-3)
35. Tiimmy Turner 94 (=)
36. Caroline 91 (+8)
37. Do You Mind 88 (+15)
38. Blue Ain't Your Color 88 (+7)
39. In The Name Of Love 88 (+2)
40. Scars To Your Beautiful 87 (+6)
41. All We Know 87 (-23)
42. Juju On Dat Beat 87 (+47) *would have it at #10 with Youtube included*
43. Chill Bill 87 (-3)
44. Controlla 85 (-8)
45. For Free 84 (-8)
46. No Limit 82 (-7)
47. Middle Of A Memory 80 (+6)
48. Work From Home 79 (-6)
49. Just Like Fire 79 (-6)
50. Pick Up The Phone 78 (-2)
51. It Don't Hurt Like It Used To 78 (-1)
52. No Problem 78 (-1)
53. I Know Somebody 77 (+5)
54. Move 72 (+1)
55. One Night 70 (+2)
56. This Town 68 (-31)
57. Love Me Now 68 (debut)
58. May We All 68 (+1)
59. Come And See Me 63 (+6)
60. Fade 62 (-6)
61. This Girl 61 (-14)
62. A Little More Summertime 60 (+4)
63. Too Much Sauce 60 (+8)
64. Rock On 59 (-2)
65. Vice 59 (-1)
66. Sleep Without You 58 (+4)
67. Money Longer 58 (+1)
68. You Don't Own Me 56 (+19)
69. X 56 (+3)
70. Today 52 (debut)
71. I Met A Girl 51 (-10)
72. You Was Right 51 (+6)
73. All Time Low 50 (debut)
74. Key To The Streets 50 (+9)
75. Different For Girls 49 (-8)
76. Fresh Eyes 48 (+21)
77. Million Reasons 48 (debut)
78. Song For Another Time 48 (+14)
79. HandClap 45 (+5)
80. Pen Pineapple Apple Pen 45 (debut)
81. Wishing 45 (-4)
82. Hold Up 45 (-1)
83. That Part 44 (+5)
84. CRZY 43 (+1)
85. Wanna Be That Song 43 (+13)
86. Peter Pan 43 (-6)
87. Mercy 43 (-11)
88. All In My Head 43 (-9)
89. Perfect Illusion 42 (-20)
90. Wat U Mean 42 (-8)
91. Make You Miss Me 42 (-5)
92. You & Me 42 (-17)
93. Gangsta 42 (+2)
94. Capsize 41 (-1)
95. I Got The Keys 41 (-5)
96. Goosebumbs 41 (=)
97. Cranes In The Sky 41 (-23)
98. Forever Country 41 (-25)
99. Why You Always Hatin? 40 (=)
100. 80s Mercedes 40 (debut)
Others
Dirty Laundry 39
Kids 38
Ain't My Fault 37
Cool Girl 35
Say It 35
Sex With Me 32
False Alarm 29
Love On The Brain 22
That's My Girl 18
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Is there a chance that Starboy will reach #1 next week since it obviously won't happen this week?
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Omg, Closer is unstoppable  There's one person that is able to stop the hunk (and his friend):
Taylor Alison Swift, where are you?
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Originally posted by simmnfierzig
Final predictions
1. Closer 525 (=) -5%
2. Starboy 389 (=) -3%
3. Heathens 341 (=)
4. Let Me Love You 276 (+1)
5. 24k Magic 270 (debut)
6. Broccoli 253 (=)
7. Cold Water 249 (-3)
8. Treat You Better 212 (-1)
9. Cheap Thrills 201 (-1)
10. Side To Side 183 (+2)
11. Don't Let Me Down 173 (-2)
12. I Hate U I Love U 173 (-2)
13. This Is What You Came For 162 (-2)
14. Gold 160 (-1)
15. Ride 158 (-1)
16. Send My Love 145 (+1)
17. Needed Me 143 (-2)
18. Starving 140 (+2)
19. One Dance 140 (-3)
20. Luv 136 (+2)
21-100
21. Can't Stop The Feeling 135 (+2)
22. Too Good 130 (-3)
23. Sucker For Pain 126 (+1)
24. We Don't Talk Anymore 125 (-3)
25. Hymn For The Weekend 123 (+1)
26. The Greatest 119 (+1)
27. Ooouuu 118 (+2)
28. Sit Still, Look Pretty 113 (+4)
29. Unsteady 111 (+1)
30. My Way 110 (-2)
31. Black Beatles 106 (+7)
32. Panda 104 (+1)
33. Setting The World On Fire 97 (+1)
34. Into You 96 (-3)
35. Tiimmy Turner 94 (=)
36. Caroline 91 (+8)
37. Do You Mind 88 (+15)
38. Blue Ain't Your Color 88 (+7)
39. In The Name Of Love 88 (+2)
40. Scars To Your Beautiful 87 (+6)
41. All We Know 87 (-23)
42. Juju On Dat Beat 87 (+47) *would have it at #10 with Youtube included*
43. Chill Bill 87 (-3)
44. Controlla 85 (-8)
45. For Free 84 (-8)
46. No Limit 82 (-7)
47. Middle Of A Memory 80 (+6)
48. Work From Home 79 (-6)
49. Just Like Fire 79 (-6)
50. Pick Up The Phone 78 (-2)
51. It Don't Hurt Like It Used To 78 (-1)
52. No Problem 78 (-1)
53. I Know Somebody 77 (+5)
54. Move 72 (+1)
55. One Night 70 (+2)
56. This Town 68 (-31)
57. Love Me Now 68 (debut)
58. May We All 68 (+1)
59. Come And See Me 63 (+6)
60. Fade 62 (-6)
61. This Girl 61 (-14)
62. A Little More Summertime 60 (+4)
63. Too Much Sauce 60 (+8)
64. Rock On 59 (-2)
65. Vice 59 (-1)
66. Sleep Without You 58 (+4)
67. Money Longer 58 (+1)
68. You Don't Own Me 56 (+19)
69. X 56 (+3)
70. Today 52 (debut)
71. I Met A Girl 51 (-10)
72. You Was Right 51 (+6)
73. All Time Low 50 (debut)
74. Key To The Streets 50 (+9)
75. Different For Girls 49 (-8)
76. Fresh Eyes 48 (+21)
77. Million Reasons 48 (debut)
78. Song For Another Time 48 (+14)
79. HandClap 45 (+5)
80. Pen Pineapple Apple Pen 45 (debut)
81. Wishing 45 (-4)
82. Hold Up 45 (-1)
83. That Part 44 (+5)
84. CRZY 43 (+1)
85. Wanna Be That Song 43 (+13)
86. Peter Pan 43 (-6)
87. Mercy 43 (-11)
88. All In My Head 43 (-9)
89. Perfect Illusion 42 (-20)
90. Wat U Mean 42 (-8)
91. Make You Miss Me 42 (-5)
92. You & Me 42 (-17)
93. Gangsta 42 (+2)
94. Capsize 41 (-1)
95. I Got The Keys 41 (-5)
96. Goosebumbs 41 (=)
97. Cranes In The Sky 41 (-23)
98. Forever Country 41 (-25)
99. Why You Always Hatin? 40 (=)
100. 80s Mercedes 40 (debut)
Others
Dirty Laundry 39
Kids 38
Ain't My Fault 37
Cool Girl 35
Say It 35
Sex With Me 32
False Alarm 29
Love On The Brain 22
That's My Girl 18
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Yasssss please STS!!!!!!
Also really happy for Handclap
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STS, her top 10 is within reach
pray for tomorrow girls
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I agree with simm, I honestly think this is STS's best chance to reach Top 10
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