For someone who lives in the west and recognizes how rampant homophobic attitudes are, you should understand how patriarchy plays a role in it

Not surprised. Imagine if someone said #NotAllWomen is wrong when talking about mothers who murder their children (which is a 'systematic' issue, look it up). "It takes away from the problem!!" as if generalizing all mothers as serial killers is acceptable Imagine the (justified) outrage. Third wave feminism is so full of double standards it's not even funny.

Lol no. Sit.

(The issue of class is a problem but it's hardly the only issue.)

The female role in homophobia is under-examined and ignored. Homophobia exists just as much because of the expectations women put on men and how men have to act to be found attractive partners. Men use homophobia to prop up their own social status in the eyes of other men, yes, but also in the eyes of women. Women want hyper-masculinized partners, particularly in poorer, more conservative areas, and that influences how men act and what kind of behaviours they deem acceptable in other men. Women also engage in a lot of straight up homophobic shaming towards men who do not exhibit traditional masculinity.

One of the dumbest arguments I've read this year from a non-Trump supporter.

Greasy, you seem to be well informed on this. Why don't I see more published papers from Universities about how men are more oppressed than women?

But girl, women exist within patriarchy, too. Human beings don't exist in a vacuum, they are impressionable and are formed by their surroundings. That women expect men to exhibit hegemonic masculine behaviors (created and perpetuated by men), thus engendering homophobia, is an example of patriarchy not an argument dismissing it.

Your argument strikes me as akin to claiming that "the black role in white supremacy is ignored" because black people harboring certain expectations of other black people (talking "proper", for example) isn't focused on very much, despite those expectations being created by the white supremacist society. If i'm understanding it properly.

They exist, all the facts I provided are backed up by studies, but universities aren't totally objective sources of knoweldge, there are ideological trends and the humanities, where most of these papers would be coming from, have been extremely pro-feminist/critical theory for the last few decades. A paper that literally says "actually, men are more oppressed than women in 2016" could end someone's career, get them ostracized. It's like a cult mentality. Most gender studies papers these days are mumbo jumbo based on assumption over assumption over assumption and very little data (check out the paper about Pumpkin Spice Lattes being agents of white supremacy in that link).

"Not all men" and "Not all white people" is dumb, but so is pretending all men and all white people are problematic. Torn tbh

No, it's based on outdated survival mechanisms (strong men protect women). Women DO find strong, hyper masculine men more attractive by and large, any socialization is a response to the biological instinct, not the other way around. Your black comparison is erroneous because that directly affects black people, whereas the homophobia I'm talking about is specifically about gay men (notice how historically it's been gay men who were legally imprisoned/killed for sodomy, how it's often been defined by "penetration", leaving out lesbians, society has always had a way bigger issue with man + man than with woman + woman).

Except "not all women" is pretty obvious when it comes to mothers killing children... that's why it doesn't need to be said

The stats vary, but I've typically seen that around 1 in 10 women report being the victim of some sort of sexual assault by a man. Have 1 in 10 children been murdered by their mother? No. False analogies like this get us nowhere.

The mere fact that men feel the need to say "not all men!" is pretty telling in itself. Not all men are misogynystic, homophobic, etc... but an unacceptably high number are. Men know this is true deep inside, and that's why they feel compelled to say "not all men!"

That paper is a mess and a half but ngl it had some interesting points

I can get that men don't have some privileges that women do but I still don't buy that men have it harder. They control media, are wayyyy more likely to be CEOs of influential corporations and have been in political power since ancient times. Who wrote the Constitution, Declaration of Independence and etc? Who wrote the rules of society? It's all overwhelmingly men. I have to agree to disagree here and I'll leave it there. I do think quite a few men's issues should be brought into discussion though.

I don't really accept theories that boil perceived social trends down to biology. Societies around the world are far too varied for that to be true Biological instinct could dictate a desire for sex, not necessarily sex with a specific type of person.

i dont wanna get into a nature v nurture argument so bye hihi

The blatant hypocrisy here, omg.

the blatant misandry

Yawn. Wrong. Next.

everything is offensive nowadays