I'd love to see it, but maybe in 100 years

You clearly have no understanding of how EU membership works.

hihihi the Conservatives FUMING in this thread - hope Scotland can save itself ONCE and FOR ALL after the disastrous cluster**** that was Brexit.

I'm actually a Labour voter and support the concept of Scotland being independent, or at the very least a federal UK.

That being said - supporting Scottish independence and having basic understanding of economics and EU protocol are not mutually exclusive.

Leaving before UK completes Brexit is categorically mental

There has been a material change in circumstances since the last referendum, and the Scottish people elected a party that promised to hold a referendum if we were forced out of the EU. It would be undemocratic for them to refuse to do one, and they'd likely collapse in favour of a more radical independence party (See: IPP after they became comfortable at Westminster without delivering Home Rule)

Just because you disagree with it doesn't make it undemocratic. Just like it'd be completely acceptable for the Unionists to hold a reunification referendum in 2021 if elected to the Scottish Government with that promise, it's acceptable for the opposite. Until there is a clear landslide majority for either side this question will never be answered. 55% is not an overwhelming majority that can never be toppled. 60%+, at a minimum.


Maybe if Cameron didn't use the morning after the referendum to say "Thanks for staying, now sit down, shut up and stay away from Westminster" before running his 2015 General Election campaign with a pillar of hatred towards Scottish people we wouldn't be having this conversation, eh? Literally used his victory speech to drive the first wedge in the newly secured union. Can't expect Scottish people to sit quietly and happily whilst the English forces English nationalist governments on them.

No one in the UK or the EU currently knows what life outside the EU will look like. It would be equally unfair to force a vote in Scotland before all the details in change of circumstance are known and enacted. How can Scottish people vote on something they don't know about. They could vote to leave, Brexit could happen and not be so bad - then Scotland isn't allowed to join the EU for 10 years and exists outside two political unions with whom it does all of it's trade.

Girl... The other countries all have to agree, and allowing Scotland to join will set a precedent re: Basque separatism in Spain. How will Sturgeon work around Spain's veto?

OK, but are you still going to have all the concessions and massive social spending like you do now? Your economy standing alone would be ****ed.

A lot of us were Remainers (including myself) in England, millions and millions, so you can take a seat with your xenophobia please.

The disdain you Scottish indy supporters have for anyone who doesn't support your views is just

Time for round 2.

Good. We need to be able to control things happen in our country but we can't right now. We didn't vote for a tory government but we have it, we didn't vote to leave the EU but we are being forced to, we didn't vote for trident yet we are the ones that are gonna have to have the nuclear weapons based here in Scotland.
It's not gonna be easy to go independent but it's gonna be a whole lot harder being apart on the UK.