Billboard better spill the tea.
In few years, people will accept that she is THE greatest ever, not only of her generation
Basically this.
Even nowadays people already say "dont expect me to put on a show like Beyonce because I cant do it". It's only a matter of time until even the haters will say "I really dont like Bey, but she's handsdown the best performer who has graced the stage".
Beyonce's choreography hasn't done anything to push the medium forward whatsoever. Rhythm Nation, on the other hand, completely changed the dance world and helped bring organized, full troupe choreography to the forefront. A style Beyoncé uses. And just because Single Ladies was a popular dance, doesn't make her a dancer. The Macarena was also popular, arguably even more popular. Does that make the choreographers of it dancers? The fact that Single Ladies was so easily imitated proves how simplistic her choreography is, ala Macarena.
The premise of this argument was to see which is the better performer. Single Ladies proved that Beyoncé could entertain with her choreography alone, whereas we don't have any iconic Janet ballads to prove that an audience would be entertained with her vocals & nothing else.
I'm starting to think Chimer, IMPACTNET and Mr.wonder are the same people.
*CHIMIER*
Of course you do. It's such an unfathomable, impossible thing for three people to hold the same viewpoints. The only logical explanation must be that they're all the same person. By that logic, you and the rest of the Beyhive are also the same person. In future, do better than what you did right here.
I'm starting to think Chimer, IMPACTNET and Mr.wonder are the same people.
If you honestly think that, you either don't think much, or should just stop thinking altogether.
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The premise of this argument was to see which is the better performer. Single Ladies proved that Beyoncé could entertain with her choreography alone, whereas we don't have any iconic Janet ballads to prove that an audience would be entertained with her vocals & nothing else.
Beyoncé has never done a live performance in which choreography was the main focal point. So that logic is flawed. Much like Beyoncé, Janet has done performances where it was just her voice and it received a warm reception. Any artist with fans can sing a ballad in an arena and get an applause no matter how good or bad they sound. Why? Because they're popular. I never said Beyoncé wasn't a great performer. As Chimier pointed out, she combines multiple performance styles into one performance. But she isn't the first or only artist to do that. Like Beyoncé, Janet combines the singing, dancing and visual components into one performance. While Janet isn't as proficient in singing, she excels in every other area. The only area Beyoncé is proficient in is singing. Her dancing, staging and storytelling are not on the level of Janet's. And again, you all are confusing showmanship with the technical aspects of performing. Beyoncé is a great showman, but she is not a dancer and her visual presentation and storytelling leaves much to be desired. She is improving, but she still isn't on the level of Janet. And I'm not even going to entertain the "Janet has no iconic ballads" nonsense.
The premise of this argument was to see which is the better performer. Single Ladies proved that Beyoncé could entertain with her choreography alone, whereas we don't have any iconic Janet ballads to prove that an audience would be entertained with her vocals & nothing else.
It's not that she can't entertain with her dance, of course not. However, it's to do with y'all matching Beyonce's dancing and Janet's dancing with the same entertainment value to go on and say "OK, because Janet doesn't sing like Beyonce this becomes a tie-breaker and so Beyonce is the winner!" It doesn't work like that since Janet entertains with her dancing MUCH more than Beyonce does.
You can find a lot of strong dancers/performers with weaker vocals and on the flip side, there are a good number of singers that can BLOW that can't or just don't perform at a high level. No, there isn't any one person with 100% proficiency in every single available area of musical performance -- Bey included; however, Bey is the most balanced and is capable of giving the experience of both the pristine diva vocalist and the high energy entertainer -- it doesn't work out the same way in reverse for the acts that may be better dancers or the extreme few mainstream acts that are better singers. That's Bey's thing that has marked and earned her place among the greats on stage and she's quite unique in that respect.
If you honestly think that, you either don't think much, or should just stop thinking altogether.
Beyoncé has never done a live performance in which choreography was the main focal point. So that logic is flawed. Much like Beyoncé, Janet has done performances where it was just her voice and it received a warm reception. Any artist with fans can sing a ballad in an arena and get an applause no matter how good or bad they sound. Why? Because they're popular. I never said Beyoncé wasn't a great performer. As Chimier pointed out, she combines multiple performance styles into one performance. But she isn't the first or only artist to do that. Like Beyoncé, Janet combines the singing, dancing and visual components into one performance. While Janet isn't as proficient in singing, she excels in every other area. The only area Beyoncé is proficient in is singing. Her dancing, staging and storytelling are not on the level of Janet's. And again, you all are confusing showmanship with the technical aspects of performing. Beyoncé is a great showman, but she is not a dancer and her visual presentation and storytelling leaves much to be desired. She is improving, but she still isn't on the level of Janet. And I'm not even going to entertain the "Janet has no iconic ballads" nonsense.
If isn't. Beyoncé doesn't present dance as an art form in the way Janet does. She merely uses as part of her spectacle. And she isn't a dancer or a skilled visual storyteller. She's improving visually, but she's still far from Janet's level.
lol @ the excuses, Beyoncé is only proficient on vocals, what? I mean, Formation Tour is really something, it was an event of all sorts. She is an expert and is doing impressive. I can't at some people acting like she has to improve big time to be on the ' same level ' of their glorified idol. Get off your high horses gorls, be aware and appreciate the legendT of our generation.
Well it's a good thing Beyoncé isn't a contestant on So You Think You Can Dance. Listen, no one is saying Beyoncé has an exceptional technical ability in dancing, it's not her strong suit or main talent like it is for Janet and MJ, so yes she makes some mistakes. It's not so much about perfect execution for her as it is her energy and stage presence. Bottom line is Beyoncé is a better dancer than Madonna, Janet and Michael are singers, and arguably a better singer than they are dancers. And your argument about her visuals not being stunning or impressive is extremely biased and almost comical especially after her performances in recent years.
And Janet and MJ are better dancers than Beyonce is a singer. Just like singing isn't MJ, Madonna, and Janet's main suit, dancing isn't Beyonce's. See how this street is two ways? And Beyonce is just now getting better with the visuals. Her VMA performance in 2014 was very telling, and not in a good way.
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That's called theater, any one of these popstars can incorporate it.
No it's called organization.
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She doesn't over-choreograph because dance isn't her only talent. And also, dance is a learned skill. The only natural components to it are rhythm and timing. Once have that, you can learn to execute pretty much anything. That's an important distinction to make from other "talents" which come more naturally and are rigid like singing.
Dancing isn't a learned skill, at least for those who don't have it as a natural ability. There are natural singers, those born with a gift of voice Similarly, there are natural dancers, those born with a gift of dance. Rhythm and timing aren't natural components of dance. Those are learned secondary skills by way of listening and responding to the music and being able to follow a pattern. Timing in itself refers to a number of aspects of dance and is LEARNED. The only real natural component of dance is movement.
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This whole analysis of dancing is soooo rigid and actually doesn't factor into so much hip hop dance.
Yes it does. Like I said, all dance is codified and rooted in technical skills. This is why ballet is not only a style of dance, but a technique because it teaches fundamental elements of movement like strength, control, mobility, flexibility, etc. Hip-Hop follows these same disciplines and is no different from Jazz, and of its derivatives, Lyrical, Modern, Contemporary, etc. While some may focus more on expressive skills such as Jazz-Funk, Pop anime, Crumping etc, they are all founded upon the technical skills of dance.
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What yore actually doing is criticizing her style. Which is fair, but again too subjective to use as a measure of her lack of dancing talent. In reality, hip hop dance continually breaks all these rules you say Beyoncé isn't adhering too.
No it doesn't. It follows the disciplines of proper movement just like any other style. There are proper ways to do a windmill, shuffling, spins, etc and are all rooted in TECHNIQUE.
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I've been too engrossed in hip hop dance culture to eat up what you're writing. Seriously, all you have to do is watch Paris and her dance crew on the Sorry (Justin Beiber) video and literally everything you said Beyoncé shouldn't do is being done.
Hip hop is not ballet or ballroom or salsa. It's a less measured form of dance expression.
Are these people too not "dancers"?
I literally just gave you examples of techniques that hip-hop follows using Popping and breaking. Are you not paying attention? Hip-hop follows codes as well. If it didn't, there wouldn't be dance studios that specialize in teaching and performing it.
The patterns you are using are the following -> Bey doesn't do modern dance or other forms of dancing aside from hip hop and african style => she's not in the league of Madonna or Janet
However, Ive never seen Madonna do Hip Hop nor have I seen Janet using African style. So in fact, I'm pretty sure Bey would outdance Madonna when it comes to these styles and she would probably be on the same level as Janet when it came to these styles.
On the other hand, both of them are nowhere near Bey when it comes to vocal delivery. They are not as agile, do not have the range, etc.
So if Janet is a 10/10 dancer, Bey would rank as 9/10, Whitney and Mariah would rank as 1/10.
Bey on the other hand is a 9/10 with her vocals when Whitney and Mariah in their prime are considered the 10/10, Janet would be a 6/10 tho.
You see where we are going with that? Bey is better when it comes to the overall delivery and package. No essay you bring up will change that.