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News: Colombia voters reject FARC peace deal
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Originally posted by Chemist
What kind of stupid comparison  ISIS militants are not american and their ideology is way different
Uribe forgave the paramilitary which did the same and even worse crimes during the war and WITHOUT a referendum
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You missed the point. Theyre both ****ing terrorists, you dont make deals with terrorists.
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Originally posted by ViTiLiGO
You missed the point. Theyre both ****ing terrorists, you dont make deals with terrorists.
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What would you do with them? Kill them?
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Originally posted by Chemist
What would you do with them? Kill them?
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Justice is the only guaranteed way towards peace. You dont walk away from so many horrible and unspeakable things done over the years with power over the country, taking money from the same people you used to terrorized, and access to the political system. That isn't peace, thats ********. People that voted yes are completely ignorant.
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Originally posted by ViTiLiGO
Justice is the only guaranteed way towards peace. You dont walk away from so many horrible and unspeakable things done over the years with power over the country, taking money from the same people you used to terrorized, and access to the political system. That isn't peace, thats ********. People that voted yes are completely ignorant.
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So you think the FARC will accept taking "justice" and being sent to jail?No f*cking way. They will go back to their weapons and keep terrorizing the country as they have done for 50 years. The only way for them to disarm is by getting pardoned by the state (as it was done for the paramilitants). THE ONLY WAY.
I believe in forgiveness, I believed that a country that has been hit so hard by the war would be willing to move on and start building a future in peace without all the tax money being invested in war and not in education and health but I guess revenge and hate are stronger than forgiveness and war will always be stronger than peace.
The war goes on..
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Originally posted by ViTiLiGO
You're stupid. Voting yes is basically the equivalent of is¡s coming to the US and telling the country they will stop killing people only if the population is willing to pay them (19% of our taxes) give them our lands and allowing them to enter the country's political system. In what dimension is this the right thing to do?
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You know what? As i said before i've never been through the war because in the city you don't have to live with that but if i had to pay some money to them i would, because i just can't support the fact that more and more inocent people are being killed today and getting moved from their own lands. Children losing their father, mother, cousins etc. Or children going to the war because they have no other chioce.
I know the increase in taxes would be pretty high but well, it ain't going to be forever. Peasants would have gone back to their lands and the economy would be really affected in the other hand but at the same point we could start making policy and focus on more important things than the war if it had ended already. Like more education for example.
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Member Since: 3/15/2013
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Originally posted by Daniel767
People here are hilarious .... The guerrilla gets paid school, and loans, and 350$ a month. while people in parts of colombia starve and have no opportunities ... Recyclers make 15 a month but they get 350? for doing nothing? Seats in the senate? and a political party? ... don't be hilarious people .. im glad the No won.
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Most of FARC rebels are part of the low-income population (only those in charge get money from being part of it). Therefore, inequality in living standards is the main reason why most of these people decided to join the guerrilla.
By giving them money, the government is trying to help them to get better living conditions. As Cristhian said, they were only going to do it for two years and only to the rebels who didn't get a job after leaving FARC, which is not something insane at all, because I do not think most companies will employ easily someone who used to be part of a guerrilla. Thus, they were encouraging people to start their own business instead.
What did you expect? "Hi, you joined the guerrilla because you were poor, now accept a peace deal and be back to being poor"? This would have only caused rebels to join criminal gangs again asap. Making the deal pointless.
Having said that, corruption is still Colombia's (and Latin America's) main problem. Hey, I do not agree with them allowing FARC to form their own political party, but let's not act like the people who are already in charge of the political decisions of this country are the most honest of them all.
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Originally posted by Sebas
Most of FARC rebels are part of the low-income population (only those in charge get money from being part of it). Therefore, inequality in living standards is the main reason why most of these people decided to join the guerrilla.
By giving them money, the government is trying to help them to get better living conditions. As Cristhian said, they were only going to do it for two years and only to the rebels who didn't get a job after leaving FARC, which is not something insane at all, because I do not think most companies will employ easily someone who used to be part of a guerrilla. Thus, they were encouraging people to start their own business instead.
What did you expect? "Hi, you joined the guerrilla because you were poor, now accept a peace deal and be back to being poor"? This would have only caused rebels to join criminal gangs again asap. Making the deal pointless.
Having said that, corruption is still Colombia's (and Latin America's) main problem. Hey, I do not agree with them allowing FARC to form their own political party, but let's not act like the people who are already in charge of the political decisions of this country are the most honest of them all.
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People on here acting like if you voted for No, you don't want peace. EVERYONE wants peace .. but PEACE has to come in BETTER terms.
IT doesn't matter how long you do it for, they shouldn't be getting paid for anything. Its not the populations fault they decided to become a terrorist group. The fact that you think people joined that terrorist group because their poor, makes your point ALREADY invalid, there shouldn't be ANY reason WHATSOEVER for you to become a terrorist. PERIOD. A lot of people in Colombia live in poverty, but you don't see them becoming terrorist. So try again. All they did was commit crimes, steal land from people, etc .. but its okay because their poor? .. Bye.
Either way Colombia already voted for no, whether people liked it or not. Hopefully they can try and make another agreement in which the terms aren't extremely ****ing ridiculous and finally all that **** can end.
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Originally posted by Daniel767
People on here acting like if you voted for No, you don't want peace. EVERYONE wants peace .. but PEACE has to come in BETTER terms.
IT doesn't matter how long you do it for, they shouldn't be getting paid for anything. Its not the populations fault they decided to become a terrorist group. The fact that you think people joined that terrorist group because their poor, makes your point ALREADY invalid, there shouldn't be ANY reason WHATSOEVER for you to become a terrorist. PERIOD. A lot of people in Colombia live in poverty, but you don't see them becoming terrorist. So try again. All they did was commit crimes, steal land from people, etc .. but its okay because their poor? .. Bye.
Either way Colombia already voted for no, whether people liked it or not. Hopefully they can try and make another agreement in which the terms aren't extremely ****ing ridiculous and finally all that **** can end.
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For the last time, Guerrilla militants WILL NOT negotiate peace deals that will send them to jail. As simple as that
It's either forgiveness or war. There is no in-between
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Originally posted by Daniel767
People on here acting like if you voted for No, you don't want peace. EVERYONE wants peace .. but PEACE has to come in BETTER terms.
IT doesn't matter how long you do it for, they shouldn't be getting paid for anything. Its not the populations fault they decided to become a terrorist group. The fact that you think people joined that terrorist group because their poor, makes your point ALREADY invalid, there shouldn't be ANY reason WHATSOEVER for you to become a terrorist. PERIOD. A lot of people in Colombia live in poverty, but you don't see them becoming terrorist. So try again. All they did was commit crimes, steal land from people, etc .. but its okay because their poor? .. Bye.
Either way Colombia already voted for no, whether people liked it or not. Hopefully they can try and make another agreement in which the terms aren't extremely ****ing ridiculous and finally all that **** can end.
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You acting like it is like some kind of contest where you decide to join or not  Questionable? Yes. Understandable? Yes. Some of these people had no choice (and btw, just because they are part of FARC doesn't mean they have commited the crimes you mentioned, try again).
Colombian Government SUCKS when it comes to help their more vulnerable populations (there are CHILDREN dying of starvation daily in La Guajira and the government does not do ANYTHING about it). I can understand why some of these people found better opportunities in a terrorist group, because at least they could ensure them daily food, something the government has yet to achieve. It is easy to talk about the topic when your and your family life does not depend on it.
P.S. I am glad that both FARC and the Government already accepted their intention to continue with the negotiations 
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Member Since: 8/26/2012
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Originally posted by Chemist
For the last time, Guerrilla militants WILL NOT negotiate peace deals that will send them to jail. As simple as that
It's either forgiveness or war. There is no in-between
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I don't know why your replying to me, since I never mention that, I could give 0 ****s if they get criminal impunity or not ...
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Originally posted by Sebas
You acting like it is like some kind of contest where you decide to join or not  Questionable? Yes. Understandable? Yes. Some of these people had no choice (and btw, just because they are part of FARC doesn't mean they have commited the crimes you mentioned, try again).
Colombian Government SUCKS when it comes to help their more vulnerable populations (there are CHILDREN dying of starvation daily in La Guajira and the government does not do ANYTHING about it). I can understand why some of these people found better opportunities in a terrorist group, because at least they could ensure them daily food, something the government has yet to achieve. It is easy to talk about the topic when your and your family life does not depend on it.
P.S. I am glad that both FARC and the Government already accepted their intention to continue with the negotiations 
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I never said it was a contest, I just don't see the justification for it. I agree, at least they are both willing to end it.
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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mess why would they say no to a peace deal 
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Originally posted by ViTiLiGO
You missed the point. Theyre both ****ing terrorists, you dont make deals with terrorists.
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You can't kil an ideology, Al Qaeda, DAESH, the talibans, there's a reason why the war has been ongoing.
Besides, all of these terrorist groups didn't appear out of the blue.
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Originally posted by KillingYourCareer
mess why would they say no to a peace deal 
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Well, read the thread hun.
I'm not Colombian but I'm rooting for all of you, both sides seems to be smart about this so far as they still want to negotiate and already declared the ceasefire will continue, I think the NO will give your government more leverage for a "tougher" deal towards the FARC.
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Member Since: 3/6/2011
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Originally posted by Chemist
So you think the FARC will accept taking "justice" and being sent to jail?No f*cking way. They will go back to their weapons and keep terrorizing the country as they have done for 50 years. The only way for them to disarm is by getting pardoned by the state (as it was done for the paramilitants). THE ONLY WAY.
I believe in forgiveness, I believed that a country that has been hit so hard by the war would be willing to move on and start building a future in peace without all the tax money being invested in war and not in education and health but I guess revenge and hate are stronger than forgiveness and war will always be stronger than peace.
The war goes on..
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Fine. Forgive them but not at the cost of our lands and money. Let them back into society under more reasonable terms like government housing, a humble hut, not huge chucks of lands. Why the **** are we treating these animals like royalty **** that. If you voted yes, your moral system is completely ****ed.
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Member Since: 3/14/2012
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Originally posted by ViTiLiGO
Fine. Forgive them but not at the cost of our lands and money. Let them back into society under more reasonable terms like government housing, a humble hut, not huge chucks of lands. Why the **** are we treating these animals like royalty **** that. If you voted yes, your moral system is completely ****ed.
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there needs to be a common ground
I understand y people agree with it and y people are against it
so i guess FARC won't pay for da kidnappings, da killings, dat doesn't leave a good taste in my mouth.
they want land and money well they need to turn in a few people and they should pay for their crimes
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Member Since: 8/17/2013
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Originally posted by Chemist
shut the **** up
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Uh? You should be happy that you're country isn't going to become into a Venezuela II, sis.
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I've never understood anything related to Las FARC even if you're our "neighbors" (I've never tried to edacate myself on the topic) si I don't know if this is good or not, but I was still impressed colombians said 'no' to this. I know there was a lot more behind that "yes" or "no" for peace, though.
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Originally posted by Outlaws
I've never understood anything related to Las FARC even if you're our "neighbors" (I've never tried to edacate myself on the topic) si I don't know if this is good or not, but I was still impressed colombians said 'no' to this. I know there was a lot more behind that "yes" or "no" for peace, though.
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Well, the "YES" only lost by like 60.000 votes. Thats not even 1% but still enough to win. As as you said, both parts have their own reasons but of course peace is always better 
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