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Discussion: Racism in Europe
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Are seriously people saying that racism in Europe is worse than in the US?  We don't kill black people here nor we feel the need to create sub-races for people that are three shades darker than pale white (I am talking about white Latinos here - they aren't considered POC in the Europe). Also we don't have systematic racism here (yeah, no one gives a **** what kind of hair black people wear as long as they aren't dreads that are considered unprofessional on white people as well).
I don't say that Europe is some kind of racism-free paradise for black & Asian people and I know we a lot of work to do to in terms of combating racism, but I still think that we're better than the US.
Also while writing this post I have in mind purely race, not xenophobia & theophobias. Those two are topics for a way longer posts and are far from being "black & white".
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Originally posted by TasteOfYourLips
Are seriously people saying that racism in Europe is worse than in the US? We don't kill black people here nor we feel the need to create sub-races for people that are three shades darker than pale white (I am talking about white Latinos here - they aren't considered POC in the Europe). Also we don't have systematic racism here (yeah, no one gives a **** what kind of hair black people wear as long as they aren't dreads that are considered unprofessional on white people as well).
I don't say that Europe is some kind of racism-free paradise for black & Asian people and I know we a lot of work to do to in terms of combating racism, but I still think that we're better than the US.
Also while writing this post I have in mind purely race, not xenophobia & theophobias. Those two are topics for a way longer posts and are far from being "black & white". |
Blacks do face police discrimination, especially in the UK.
Hispanics and Latinos created that group FOR THEMSELVES. In the US, they were considered white. This was affirmed in the US-Mexican treaty, and again by a court case. Latinos went to court to be considered a different group, to create a pan-nationality and unity.
And Europe does have systematic racism, they even created it. Systemaitc racism isn't about hair styles, its much more than that.
Honestly, your comment lacks research and knowledge. Like you clearly don't even know why the term Latino or Hispanic exist. I bet you don't even know it was created by Napoleon to unite the Latin peoples, or Hispanic was a term used by the Romans.
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Originally posted by sadnews
all the eu countries are pretty much racist to non white race. fact.
I heard lots of it from my local forum. (asian)
france, italy are worst, and UK, germnay, swiss, portugal, spain. they're all same.
from randomly called out ching chang chong, nihao or mockness and smirk. subtle rundess.
waiter/server ignore your order and only take white people's order.. the list goes on.
and the irony is asian do get rasicm from black people in eu and us.
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It's because Asians don't force respect from others. If they try that with the Moroccans, they get 20 of them chasing them down.
If law and order breaks down in cities and the cops are retreating, you are the safest in the Turkish hood. They beat up thieves, drug dealers wanting to fight someone,... and usually field 300 men units. They were the only ones in the Middle East who kicked white men from the Cliffs of Gallipoli and rise above the tribal phase by adopting nationalism (pushing the violence beyond the borders of the country versus every tribe is at war with the 99 other tribes in the country), democracy, secularism,...
Asian culture taught the Asians to be obedient, to swallow it, to serve the boss/leader,... while Western (especially Anglo) culture is about the riot, fight for your rights, thwarting those in power or thinking they are invincible,...
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Originally posted by Tropez
Hispanics and Latinos created that group FOR THEMSELVES. In the US, they were considered white. This was affirmed in the US-Mexican treaty, and again by a court case. Latinos went to court to be considered a different group, to create a pan-nationality and unity.
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Literally so what that Latinos wanted to be legally regarded as a different group/ethnicity due to their cultural differences and the will of preservation of their identity? I can't speak for the entire Europe but in many countries including my own this is perfectly normal, minority ethnicities are legally regarded and "separated" and yet guess what - they aren't treated like a some kind of "sub-race" nor discriminated against. Jesus that whole stupid American concept of connecting culture, race and being "socially acceptable" together gives me headache. "Latinos were considered white till they didn't want to be legally considered as a different group" is like the most stupid thing I heard today, but I am pretty sure they didn't ask to be discriminated while being legally regarded as culturally different. However my point still stands in a very short example - in the Europe a latino person will be paid for the same job as much as a pale white person with an English surname.
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Blacks do face police discrimination, especially in the UK.
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That is not even close to the discrimination of black people in the US. The police, at least in the continental Europe rarely shoots anyone.
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And Europe does have systematic racism, they even created it. Systemaitc racism isn't about hair styles, its much more than that.
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Elaborate about the systematic racism in the Europe please (also tell me who created systematic racism by their nationality and where exactly they created it). I know that systematic racism is about more than hairstyles I was just giving a simple example.
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Honestly, your comment lacks research and knowledge. Like you clearly don't even know why the term Latino or Hispanic exist. I bet you don't even know it was created by Napoleon to unite the Latin peoples, or Hispanic was a term used by the Romans.
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Cool that you read some Wikipedia about that, you wanna play with me some history quiz or what?  Lol you wanted to be slick when your comment is showing me your lack of comprehension skills in the first place.
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Originally posted by Tropez
Blacks do face police discrimination, especially in the UK.
Hispanics and Latinos created that group FOR THEMSELVES. In the US, they were considered white. This was affirmed in the US-Mexican treaty, and again by a court case. Latinos went to court to be considered a different group, to create a pan-nationality and unity.
And Europe does have systematic racism, they even created it. Systemaitc racism isn't about hair styles, its much more than that.
Honestly, your comment lacks research and knowledge. Like you clearly don't even know why the term Latino or Hispanic exist. I bet you don't even know it was created by Napoleon to unite the Latin peoples, or Hispanic was a term used by the Romans.
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Proof? I'm sorry but I simply cannot let a comment like this slide. I have lived all over the UK and have rarely, if ever, heard this reported on. Even in the left wing press.
Evidence please. Not some questionable anecdote; a law or specific set of statistics that proves your point. I am happy to be proven wrong.
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Originally posted by TasteOfYourLips
Literally so what that Latinos wanted to be legally regarded as a different group/ethnicity due to their cultural differences and the will of preservation of their identity? I can't speak for the entire Europe but in many countries including my own this is perfectly normal, minority ethnicities are legally regarded and "separated" and yet guess what - they aren't treated like a some kind of "sub-race" nor discriminated against. Jesus that whole stupid American concept of connecting culture, race and being "socially acceptable" together gives me headache. "Latinos were considered white till they didn't want to be legally considered as a different group" is like the most stupid thing I heard today, but I am pretty sure they didn't ask to be discriminated while being legally regarded as culturally different. However my point still stands in a very short example - in the Europe a latino person will be paid for the same job as much as a pale white person with an English surname.
That is not even close to the discrimination of black people in the US. The police, at least in the continental Europe rarely shoots anyone.
Elaborate about the systematic racism in the Europe please (also tell me who created systematic racism by their nationality and where exactly they created it). I know that systematic racism is about more than hairstyles I was just giving a simple example.
Cool that you read some Wikipedia about that, you wanna play with me some history quiz or what? Lol you wanted to be slick when your comment is showing me your lack of comprehension skills in the first place. |
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Literally so what that Latinos wanted to be legally regarded as a different group/ethnicity due to their cultural differences and the will of preservation of their identity? I can't speak for the entire Europe but in many countries including my own this is perfectly normal, minority ethnicities are legally regarded and "separated" and yet guess what - they aren't treated like a some kind of "sub-race" nor discriminated against. Jesus that whole stupid American concept of connecting culture, race and being "socially acceptable" together gives me headache. "Latinos were considered white till they didn't want to be legally considered as a different group" is like the most stupid thing I heard today, but I am pretty sure they didn't ask to be discriminated while being legally regarded as culturally different. [B]However my point still stands in a very short example - in the Europe a latino person will be paid for the same job as much as a pale white person with an English surname.
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No, you're still wrong. It was created so there was one Spanish-speaking market for business and economical purposes. Univison along with many Hispanic celebrities urged this. They were considered white, and a good portion didn't even face discrimination. Because they were white people. They were never considered legally culturally different, and why the court case to create the term was originally shot down because they were considered white and not a minority.
Do you strong statistical data to back up your claim of fair wages? I'd like to see them please.
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That is not even close to the discrimination of black people in the US.[B] The police, at least in the continental Europe rarely shoots anyone.
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If blacks are disproportionately being targeted against in Europe because of their skin, that is still an act of systematic racism.
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The declaration will dismay senior officers who have fought hard to fight off the institutionally racist label. Before his fall at the height of the phone hacking controversy, the previous commissioner, Sir Paul Stephenson, declared in 2009 that after much hard work the force was no longer institutionally racist.
"The association still believe that the police service is institutionally racist," said the BPA statement. Its chairman, Bevan Powell, added: "Institutional racism is not about labelling individuals racists but rather police practice and procedures that bring about disproportionate outcomes for black and minority ethnic communities and police personnel."
He said close examination of key statistics relating to the race and policing bears that out. "An examination of section 95 data (Criminal Justice Act) provides the supporting empirical evidence to support my assertion."
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https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2013/...y-racist-black
Another example of harsh racism.
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-26465916
There's so much more.
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Elaborate about the systematic racism in the Europe please (also tell me who created systematic racism by their nationality and where exactly they created it). I know that systematic racism is about more than hairstyles I was just giving a simple example.
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Don't be foolish, not one person or country created it. It's a mindset born of colonialism, and further expanded from imperialism and the media.
But here's some European examples:
UK
https://www.theguardian.com/law/2013...p-search-white
France
http://www.citylab.com/politics/2016...garner/495449/
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/01/op...in-france.html
Germany
http://www.dw.com/en/ndr-reports-han...nts/a-18455496
I mean, I can legitimately go on. The major issue of institutional or systematic racism is the social, economics and political inequality faced by minorities in Europe. In some countries like Spain, Italy and Russia its even more aggressive. Why for example do you think minorities are most likely to be searched and targeted by officers as shown in the above links? Also, why do you think they are more likely to be of a lower income? There's also a lack of them in police forces also (as shown above). We can even go into the superficial and talk about why whites are more shown in the media in Europe.
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Cool that you read some Wikipedia about that, you wanna play with me some history quiz or what? Lol you wanted to be slick when your comment is showing me your lack of comprehension skills in the first place
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Lmao, you're hilarious 
Gosh are you that oblivious to racism that groups have to deal with? You're acting like Europe is somehow better in the US in this aspect. But you have to realize that the US is way more open to talking about race. Some countries like France choose to ignore race, which not only inflames the issue but marginalizes the people who face it. And issue of racism in the US will cause rapid media talk and discussion, which is also the reason why you will hear about it more. In Europe it will not have as much of a discussion, so you will have an illusion that things are better.
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And these, thank you.
I hate to say this, but police brutality and misconduct isn't just an American issue. But a global issue too.
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Member Since: 9/9/2012
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Originally posted by TasteOfYourLips
Are seriously people saying that racism in Europe is worse than in the US? . |
Yes because unlike US, Europe ignores most race problems and/or pretends they don't exist. I'd rather he in a community where racism is largely acknowledged and forced to be talked about.
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Much much more than USA.
People are racist, I can say every country in Europe is racist especially towards gypsies, Jews etc. I never heard anyone who likes gypsies tbh...
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Originally posted by AnneBoleyn
my guess:
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It applies to every country 
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