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News: Teacher Quit as she had to Shake Hands
Member Since: 1/1/2014
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Originally posted by Communion
What kind of transphobic ********.  There's women with penises, so your weird racist logic doesn't even make sense.
Y'all can't have it both ways. You can't get mad at a Muslim woman for following what she was taught the differences between men vs women are while y'all follow the differences you believe exist between men and women.
Fire a Muslim woman for not wanting to shake a man's hand yet saying no woman would need a urinal and that we have to separate the sexes cause their bodies are different. The ignorance and transphobia. 
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the ignorance, the cringe, I can't
if transgender women wanted to use urinal, then they would be going to men's bathroom, not women's and there wouldn't be so much issue around trans using public bathrooms in the first place
and secondly, islam isn't a race
omg, the cringe at your arguments, I swear darh3:
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Member Since: 5/27/2016
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Originally posted by AvrilLaQueen
the ignorance, the cringe, I can't
if transgender women wanted to use urinal, then they would be going to men's bathroom, not women's and there wouldn't be so much issue around trans using public bathrooms in the first place
and secondly, islam isn't a race
omg, the cringe at your arguments, I swear darh3:
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It's not about if they WANT to - it's about the ability to, as the user said. They said women have no need for urinals, yet men do - why are you making sex-segregated assumptions about people's genitals? Not every trans person feels the need to surgically alter their genitals. Why do only some penis-having folks get to use a urinal's convenience? Get rid of them or put them everywhere if you respect all sexes.
Hopefully Sweden, if they're so progressive, can break down these sex-segregation tactics and start teaching there's no differences at all between men & women then if Islam offends them.  I assume they'll be getting rid of sports teams, clothing, and restrooms that divided by sex to promote true gender equality.
Also, racialization is a real thing. Sorry if you refuse to accept so.
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She did what she had to do.
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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Originally posted by heckinglovato
I was almost taken to jail in Jordan during Ramadan once literally for drinking water, you're absolutely right. I think asking teachers to not be sexist in a school setting is just rational.
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wow, that is disgusting!
wonder what Communion has to say about... he will use this and turn it around making it seem like Western society is still an awful and hateful society 
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
Posts: 15,921
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Originally posted by Communion
It's not about if they WANT to - it's about the ability to, as the user said. They said women have no need for urinals, yet men do - why are you making sex-segregated assumptions about people's genitals? Not every trans person feels the need to surgically alter their genitals. Why do only some penis-having folks get to use a urinal's convenience? Get rid of them or put them everywhere if you respect all sexes.
Hopefully Sweden, if they're so progressive, can break down these sex-segregation tactics and start teaching there's no differences at all between men & women then if Islam offends them.  I assume they'll be getting rid of sports teams, clothing, and restrooms that divided by sex to promote true gender equality.
Also, racialization is a real thing. Sorry if you refuse to accept so.
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so this is how far you have to reach in order to compare a simple handshake between 2 opposite genders to comparing it with showering together, etc.? Yet another cringe 
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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Originally posted by Communion
It's not about if they WANT to - it's about the ability to, as the user said. They said women have no need for urinals, yet men do - why are you making sex-segregated assumptions about people's genitals? Not every trans person feels the need to surgically alter their genitals. Why do only some penis-having folks get to use a urinal's convenience? Get rid of them or put them everywhere if you respect all sexes.
Hopefully Sweden, if they're so progressive, can break down these sex-segregation tactics and start teaching there's no differences at all between men & women then if Islam offends them.  I assume they'll be getting rid of sports teams, clothing, and restrooms that divided by sex to promote true gender equality.
Also, racialization is a real thing. Sorry if you refuse to accept so.
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They are truly progressive tbh!
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Sweden adds gender-neutral pronoun to dictionary
Pronoun ‘hen’ can be used without revealing gender – either because it is unknown, because the person is transgender or the information is superfluous
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https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-to-dictionary
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Member Since: 5/27/2016
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Originally posted by AvrilLaQueen
wow, that is disgusting!
wonder what Communion has to say about... he will use this and turn it around making it seem like Western society is still an awful and hateful society 
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Jordan AND Sweden can't be oppressive in their own way?
This is the issue with cultural analysis that happens on ATRL by... certain members. Sure, talk about the issues in the Middle East or Africa, but if the only people you'll ever discuss and scold are also people you've been indoctrinated from birth to feel a way about (lol inb4 "I was not taught white/euro/christian supremacy!!!11"  ), that's.. questionable.
Every single society has their own oppressive and hateful systems that we must combat. We must also help end sexism and homophobia in the Middle East, but this issue of Islamophobia in Europe also concerns me, just like anti-blackness in Europe concerns me.
Am I meant to accept this as "part of Swedish customs & traditional culture" and not question it?
If a Swedish man throws a woman onto train tracks to die cause she wore a hijab, is that part of Swedish culture I am just meant to accept? You can't scold the barbaric / oppressive aspects of Middle Eastern cultures and then rely on them as "worse" to support or defend the barbaric aspects of cultures you've deemed progressive. Sorry 'bout it. 
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You have to respect the rules of the country you moved into. In Europe it's common decency to shake hands.
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Member Since: 1/28/2012
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how did she think she could become a teacher in a country where she can't imigrate to the easiest rules?
like wow. move to a country where they want you ...
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Kinda stupid that she had to quit over a f*cking shake-hand... one just can't force his/hers beliefs and norms over a whole institution / system just because his/hers religion doesn't apparently allow it
she should either conform to that country or institution's laws or simply go back from where she came... I mean, looking at the fact that she had to quit over the fact that she didn't want to shake hands with someone it's really stupid... after all, no one forced her to join that school or even come in Sweden at all if she's not open to their rules.. like who is she to enforce her beliefs on the whole school when the school has certain rules that the lady seem to have overlooked them
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Member Since: 4/4/2014
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Originally posted by Communion
It's not about if they WANT to - it's about the ability to, as the user said. They said women have no need for urinals, yet men do - why are you making sex-segregated assumptions about people's genitals? Not every trans person feels the need to surgically alter their genitals. Why do only some penis-having folks get to use a urinal's convenience? Get rid of them or put them everywhere if you respect all sexes.
Hopefully Sweden, if they're so progressive, can break down these sex-segregation tactics and start teaching there's no differences at all between men & women then if Islam offends them.  I assume they'll be getting rid of sports teams, clothing, and restrooms that divided by sex to promote true gender equality.
Also, racialization is a real thing. Sorry if you refuse to accept so.
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Men use urinals because they have a penis. Women don't have a penis, therefore they don't need urinals. Men have a opening in the middle of their underwear and women don't for that very reason. Men and women ARE different in more ways then one. Lying about their differences won't change them.
Ignoring differences between genders ≠ gender equality.
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oh dear, 12 pages

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Originally posted by loveless
Men use urinals because they have a penis. Women don't have a penis, therefore they don't need urinals. Men have a opening in the middle of their underwear and women don't for that very reason. Men and women ARE different in more ways then one. Lying about their differences won't change them.
Ignoring differences between genders ≠ gender equality.
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There are literally thousands upon thousands of women with penises, whether trans or intersex. Stop being willfully ignorant.
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Member Since: 6/19/2012
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hopefully the good sis will find a job that's more respectful of her basic rights

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Member Since: 3/5/2011
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Originally posted by Communion
There are literally thousands upon thousands of women with penises, whether trans or intersex. Stop being willfully ignorant.
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They represent a negligible minority in general conversation.
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Member Since: 5/27/2016
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Originally posted by YUNGKALIMXEL
This **** is getting out of hand  This is why no one likes white people.
EDIT: And men.
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This is gross.
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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I understand it's against her religion, but I feel that it's misogynistic. I don't know why she can shake a male's hand, but I feel it might have to do with men thinking that women aren't their equals and aren't fit to shake their hands.
But if it's against her religion, and it's out of "respect", she should be allowed to refuse a handshake. The guy who took offense to that is a little bitch. She can't help it. It's simply what she believes in...
I'm simply on the fence, because she's entitled to her religious belief, but if it's rooted in misogyny I don't think she shold let it cost her job...religion doesn't pay the bills, sis
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Member Since: 2/2/2014
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Originally posted by Communion
It's not about if they WANT to - it's about the ability to, as the user said. They said women have no need for urinals, yet men do - why are you making sex-segregated assumptions about people's genitals? Not every trans person feels the need to surgically alter their genitals. Why do only some penis-having folks get to use a urinal's convenience? Get rid of them or put them everywhere if you respect all sexes.
Hopefully Sweden, if they're so progressive, can break down these sex-segregation tactics and start teaching there's no differences at all between men & women then if Islam offends them.  I assume they'll be getting rid of sports teams, clothing, and restrooms that divided by sex to promote true gender equality.
Also, racialization is a real thing. Sorry if you refuse to accept so.
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Sports teams should be segregated. Men and women are different. You are literally going to push women out of sports if you dont segregate sports because men are biologically bigger, stronger, and faster than women. You're doing a bit much 
I also think desegregating bathrooms is a dangerous idea.
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Originally posted by Ryanicorn
I understand it's against her religion, but I feel that it's misogynistic. I don't know why she can shake a male's hand, but I feel it might have to do with men thinking that women aren't their equals and aren't fit to shake their hands.
But if it's against her religion, and it's out of "respect", she should be allowed to refuse a handshake. The guy who took offense to that is a little bitch. She can't help it. It's simply what she believes in...
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I heard it has to do with modesty. And she can help it since religion is a choice. She doesn't HAVE to believe what she does. So i dont really understand what you say when you say she cant help it. That can be used to excuse a lot of sexist or discriminating beliefs as well.
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by YUNGKALIMXEL
This **** is getting out of hand  This is why no one likes white people.
EDIT: And men.
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Amused at speaking Swedish and having actually attended the school she worked at not being enough "integration". Nope, she needs to go back!!!
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