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Discussion: U.S. Election 2016
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Im high key scared that Trump is gonna win. Unfortunately.
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Member Since: 7/21/2012
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I find it funny how people say "Oh Trump will have one bad term." And say "Hillary will have real impact and get reelected"
You're just reinforcing the narrative that Hillary is better and can get **** done. It also clearly means that majority of the country is for her or at least her policies.
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How can people completely write off a Hillary win when she's leading in the polls and gaining again in momentum??? 
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Member Since: 8/7/2015
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Originally posted by Ra2
The way she treated classified information is enough to warrant my opinion. My husband is in the US Navy and has top secret clearance. He signed the same papers Hillary Clinton did and would be in JAIL if he did what she did. Every day I can't even ask about my husband's day at work because he can't tell me anything in great detail. When he goes to deployment, he can't tell me when he's going to talk to me again, when he's coming home, when he's going to go to port or where he's going. Having to cope with that and knowing how GROSSLY NEGLIGENT Hillary Clinton was with classified information makes me sick. It makes me even more sick when I see her continue to say everything she did was ok. If she could at least admit that she did wrong (and not that ******** about using 1 account for convenience), I could at least respect her.
But I don't.
Besides, if Trump wins, 4 years from now, he won't be a problem anymore. If Clinton is elected, I would be willing to bet that she would have a good chance at re-election.
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Well I can get that concern in regards to Hillary but it seems like you're certain that Trump will do poorly/nothing causing him to lose in 4 years. I mean do you have any reason for voting Trump that's not just Anti-Hillary? Just curious.
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That's what people thought about Bush, only 4 years, and look he got 8. Even if Trump is the absolute disaster we expect or not even the next nominee, the GOP won't want to lose out on getting 2020 too since they've had a dry spell on the Presidency and Obama got them extra pressed for a lifetime.
Then there's the Supreme Court up for grabs. If only Kennedy wasn't a swing vote 
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Member Since: 3/18/2011
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Originally posted by Dessy Fenix
Well I can get that concern in regards to Hillary but it seems like you're certain that Trump will do poorly/nothing causing him to lose in 4 years. I mean do you have any reason for voting Trump that's not just Anti-Hillary? Just curious.
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I would have considered Gary Johnson more but he doesn't look like he's got enough support for the debates. So, for the most part, It's a protest vote against Hillary. I was all for Bernie in the primaries--and believe he was treated wrongly by Hillary, the media and by the DNC. I can't support a candidate that think that was okay and fair (enough if Bernie now supports her). Therefore, I'm left with Trump. He flip flops so much that I don't truly believe the worst things he says and don't have much confidence in the best things he says. He will be a mediocre president but again better than Hillary.
I say Hillary has a better chance at being elected because she uses FEAR to convince you to vote for her. I.E. Trump is dangerous for gays, minorities, etc,. The democratic party needs to quit using fear tactics that republicans are evil and are going to make people miserable as a formula to win elections.
I haven't forgotten the things she said during the primaries about Obama and don't believe her ties to her are exactly sincere. Remember back in 08 when she said she was still in the contest because Kennedy was shot? And who knows what might happen?
By the way, I don't mean to be too aggressive. It's just my opinion. you don't have to agree. 
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You can have your opinions, the one part that stands out to me though is the it's ONLY 4 years of Trump since I've heard it before. One term can change things for an entire generation, especially if the makeup of our highest court changes, I just want to note that.
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I mean Republicans policies do target/harm LGBT and minorities so it's not like it's coming out of the democrats' asses themselves. I would make more points but I guess they would be lost on you.

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Member Since: 3/18/2011
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Originally posted by Dessy Fenix
I mean Republicans policies do target/harm LGBT and minorities so it's not like it's coming out of the democrats' asses themselves. I would make more points but I guess they would be lost on you.

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I agree that they do. But that cannot be the only reason. It's wrong that LGBT people cannot be conservative fiscally in politics because of the way the Republican platform is.
Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump both have horrible tax policies. Clinton wants to increase revenues only to spend it on more programs. Trump wants to gut the federal government and as a result decrease revenues when we're already in too much debt.
We need to increase taxes, cut some federal government spending and pay off debt. Again, just my opinion.
P.S. I'm not closed minded--just rather decided. I'm willing to listen to what you have to say.
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Member Since: 3/18/2011
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Originally posted by LuLuDrops
You can have your opinions, the one part that stands out to me though is the it's ONLY 4 years of Trump since I've heard it before. One term can change things for an entire generation, especially if the makeup of our highest court changes, I just want to note that.
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Sorry for the double post, just want to also say that I saw what you said and agree with you. However, anybody could die at any time--and therefore, there comes a point where you can't base decisions on too much unknown (I think you could say the same to me about the Trump & 4 years comment, but historically, we have seen ineffective presidents due to obstructive congress and I'm betting on that as a reason for why I'm okay with that risk).
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ATRL Senior Member
Member Since: 11/14/2008
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Originally posted by Artemisia
I might be giving a bit delulu but it kinda unsettles me how many Republicans are coming out to support Hillary. Disavowing Tump should be enough, why hop across the aisle at that? What exactly are they seeing in a woman whose policy is opposed to theirs? Some sort of common ground?
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You can disagree with someone ideologically, but still see the full picture, wanting better for your country. The full picture being, you cannot let a man who has no clue what he's doing in the White House. He didn't even know what our nuclear triad was and that is who we want controlling our military? They're just conceding this election and will put their resources into 2020, which still will be a dangerous gamble. Their party has simply become too erratic and full of too many deplorables. It'll just be a repeat of 2016 in 2020 if they try to nominate someone like Ted Cruz., the runner-up in their primaries. Unless an old school GOP candidate emerges, it's almost the beginning of the end for their Presidential chances (local gov't they'll be fine though).
Plus, plenty of them actually get along with Hillary when she isn't running for a position against their party. Two-thirds of the GOP Primary candidates were all on film praising her stint as SoS, but turned on her once it was clear she was running again. Just the way the game is.
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GROUNDBREAKING: Trump says at rally in High Point, NC, that he is going to build a wall and Mexico is going to pay for it!!!!
"We gotta be tough"... "it's gonna be tremendous"...
How convenient for them to place the twenty or so millennials that they found at the rally directly behind him.

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Member Since: 7/21/2012
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Originally posted by Ra2
I agree that they do. But that cannot be the only reason. It's wrong that LGBT people cannot be conservative fiscally in politics because of the way the Republican platform is.
Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump both have horrible tax policies. Clinton wants to increase revenues only to spend it on more programs. Trump wants to gut the federal government and as a result decrease revenues when we're already in too much debt.
We need to increase taxes, cut some federal government spending and pay off debt. Again, just my opinion.
P.S. I'm not closed minded--just rather decided. I'm willing to listen to what you have to say.
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Hmm. I can see the issue with u not wanting to vote for her because it can be hard when your mind is made up about taxes and economy policy. But I hope to leave u with this to keep in mind.
If anything Hillary's policies are an addition to Obama's. The debt may be increasing, but jobs and wages for the poor and middle class ARE increasing. I would hope u would see that even if her plans won't bring a surplus that at least she's willing to spend to invest in people who are in deep need. And that her plan will not cause another Recession unlike Trump's.
That's the real concern I have. People say Hillary is bad, but would you rather bad or a complete disaster because that's what his policies, or lack thereof, are.
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Member Since: 11/30/2011
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Hillary +5 in Florida, per Monmouth (A+ on 538). With her ground game, she's in a good place to win the state and lock Trump out of the presidency.
The same pollster had Trump +8 in Iowa, so it's not as if they have an inherent Democratic bias. Looking forward to the same Trump supporters who lauded that poll calling this one skewed, rigged, etc.
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Originally posted by geo
Hillary +5 in Florida, per Monmouth (A+ on 538). With her ground game, she's in a good place to win the state and lock Trump out of the presidency.
The same pollster had Trump +8 in Iowa, so it's not as if they have an inherent Democratic bias. Looking forward to the same Trump supporters who lauded that poll calling this one skewed, rigged, etc.
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Same poll has Rubio and Murphy at 47 vs 45 
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The shipjumping continues
Miami billionaire Republican Mike Fernandez tells friends he plans $2M donation to help Hillary Clinton
The money is intended to “focus on Latino outreach and registration in Florida,” according to an email Fernandez sent Tuesday obtained by the Miami Herald. It’s unclear which specific group would get his donation.
Hispanics make up about 15 percent of Florida’s electorate. Polls show Latinos strongly favoring Clinton, though not yet at the level that they did President Barack Obama. Democrats are focused on registering and turning out liberal-leaning Puerto Ricans in the Orlando area.
Fernandez urged fellow Cuban Americans to reject Trump. The donor is a prominent supporter Obama’s reengagement policy with Cuba.
http://www.miamiherald.com/news/poli...#storylink=cpy
Second prominent GOP Cuban-American telling his community to support Hillary.
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Member Since: 7/21/2012
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Originally posted by geo
Hillary +5 in Florida, per Monmouth (A+ on 538). With her ground game, she's in a good place to win the state and lock Trump out of the presidency.
The same pollster had Trump +8 in Iowa, so it's not as if they have an inherent Democratic bias. Looking forward to the same Trump supporters who lauded that poll calling this one skewed, rigged, etc.
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I would love that. I still feel like Trump is much closer in Florida and Hillary is closer in Iowa.
+5 and +8 seem like a big lead for both, but if it is the case, I'm not complaining.
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Member Since: 3/18/2011
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Originally posted by King Maxx
Hmm. I can see the issue with u not wanting to vote for her because it can be hard when your mind is made up about taxes and economy policy. But I hope to leave u with this to keep in mind.
If anything Hillary's policies are an addition to Obama's. The debt may be increasing, but jobs and wages for the poor and middle class ARE increasing. I would hope u would see that even if her plans won't bring a surplus that at least she's willing to spend to invest in people who are in deep need. And that her plan will not cause another Recession unlike Trump's.
That's the real concern I have. People say Hillary is bad, but would you rather bad or a complete disaster because that's what his policies, or lack thereof, are.
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Obama has not been a perfect president. He has done well at times and fails in others. We have been fortunate overall to have had him during the past 8 years. You are correct when you say the middle class incomes are increasing, but we have to do better (this is particularly why Bernie had my vote--his education plan invested in the American people and our People are our best asset).
I do think the current trade deals are bad and don't believe for a second that Hillary won't sign it into law. She was for it over and over and over again. I do not trust her. I don't believe half of what she says. Among other things, I just don't see that either candidate is going to manage the economy particularly well.
I would say however, that Trump is a business man and (despite all shady deals) is successful by and large overall. It would be nice for a change for a business man, an accountant (like me) or CPA to be in charge in government (or in the legislative body for that matter) rather than somebody with a legal background (i.e. Hillary and nearly all congressmen and congresswomen).
Last note, I would also say you can look at every angle and talk yourself into voting for either candidate. I guess it ultimately is dependent on what you value most and think is most critical. They are both flawed beyond comparison.
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Trump is an idiot. Plain and simple. Being a good business person doesn't mean you're competent enough to lead a country. ****, lets get Beyonce or Madonna in the White House if being a "good business person" is the only requirement.
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Member Since: 7/21/2012
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Originally posted by Ra2
Obama has not been a perfect president. He has done well at times and fails in others. We have been fortunate overall to have had him during the past 8 years. You are correct when you say the middle class incomes are increasing, but we have to do better (this is particularly why Bernie had my vote--his education plan invested in the American people and our People are our best asset).
I do think the current trade deals are bad and don't believe for a second that Hillary won't sign it into law. She was for it over and over and over again. I do not trust her. I don't believe half of what she says. Among other things, I just don't see that either candidate is going to manage the economy particularly well.
I would say however, that Trump is a business man and (despite all shady deals) is successful by and large overall. It would be nice for a change for a business man, an accountant (like me) or CPA to be in charge in government (or in the legislative body for that matter) rather than somebody with a legal background (i.e. Hillary and nearly all congressmen and congresswomen).
Last note, I would also say you can look at every angle and talk yourself into voting for either candidate. I guess it ultimately is dependent on what you value most and think is most critical. They are both flawed beyond comparison.
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Welp. Glad Hillary will be president so whatever. 
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Major news sites are now perched on writing early voting articles since a couple of states will begin casting ballots on the 23rd
Early numbers from advance voting for president show initial strength for Hillary Clinton in the critical state of North Carolina and good news for Donald Trump in Iowa.
In North Carolina, more than 53,000 voters requested ballots, and 2,939 had been returned. That's up from 47,313 ballots requested during a similar period in 2012. By party, Democrats made up 40 percent of the ballots returned compared to 33 percent for Republicans. At this point in 2012, Republicans were running ahead in ballots submitted.
In Iowa, more than 68,000 have requested ballots. Democrats dominate with 40,476 or 60 percent of the ballots so far, compared to 13,011 or 19 percent for Republicans.
But in a sign of softness among Clinton supporters, the numbers are down significantly from 2012, when 92,850 Democrats requested ballots.
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