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Discussion: Is "not caring for charts" safe?
Member Since: 1/1/2014
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It comes off as very fake.
Unless you're Britney Spears, you ****ing care about the charts 
Don't even lie.
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Member Since: 8/7/2015
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Originally posted by inspiration4
Wanting to get your song played on the radio is NOT synonymous with caring about charts.
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As long as billboard counts AirPlay on the chart it is. If you don't care about the charts. You don't purchase a radio deal to have your song played once an hour on the biggest stations. Keep lying to yourself all you want.
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Member Since: 3/14/2012
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Originally posted by inspiration4
Take these off-topic, inaccurate assumptions elsewhere
My faves literally do not chart (Lana + a slew of DJ's), nor do I care who charts. |
LOL stop u only playin urself
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Member Since: 10/10/2009
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Originally posted by OnMyCoolJ
As long as billboard counts AirPlay on the chart it is. If you don't care about the charts. You don't purchase a radio deal to have your song played once an hour on the biggest stations. Keep lying to yourself all you want.
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I would entertain this if you at least tried to combat my claim, rather than delete it.
Cool-J, do better.
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Originally posted by dabunique
LOL stop u only playin urself
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Whatever this is supposed to mean. lol
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Member Since: 10/14/2010
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Originally posted by cancer
It comes off as very fake.
Unless you're Britney Spears, you ****ing care about the charts
Don't even lie. |
Britney the careless queen <3
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by MusicTalker
SOMEONE ****ING SAID IT FINALLY.
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But for a star who actually has reached the top its true. You really think Britney Spears is wondering how Make Me is doing?
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Member Since: 5/27/2016
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If you're a commercial pop star you kinda have to care somewhat about charts so not really.
But if you're an icon and established, caring about the charts too much can be detrimental.
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Originally posted by MissedTheTrain
And I find it kind of ridiculous that some of you are saying "Pop artists obviously care if they promote, they're lying if they say they don't".
Kelly is my fave and she has said plenty of times that she doesn't care about the charts...of course she'd love everything she releases to be successful, everybody wants that, but that isn't a main concern. It's pointless stressing over that because it isn't in your control, what's in your control is making the best music you can make. Kelly still does the typical promo routine for her music because 1, she enjoys being busy working her music and 2, she has a label/team that needs her to. Part of that is written in contracts.
Since this thread is obviously aimed at Gaga, I'll bring her up. She's had a whirlwind of a career, her first 3 releases were huge and she was nonstop, working herself past her physical limits. She never had a chance to process things, evaluate her career, and sort her priorities for what's important. Her massive success set people's expectations for her way too high. When she released ARTPOP and it didn't meet people's expectations for success, she got a lot of over the top backlash aimed at her. She never really had something like that happen and probably didn't really know how to react. While the main source of her depression she fell into after releasing that album was because of behind the scenes drama (her manager and other people in her team abandoning her and her feeling betrayed, realizing they only cared about her for money), people turning against her and giving her backlash for underperforming I'm sure did get to her. Even though she said she didn't at the time, I do think she cared...who wouldn't? Who wouldn't be upset after dealing with something like that? She was being rushed to release new music and get back out there, and released something half baked.
She finally took time away from Pop and with Cheek to Cheek, it was extremely therapeutic for her. Spending time performing with classics with a renowned artist, working hard on performances like the Sound of Music tribute and releasing a song with an important message like Til It Happens To You... she fell back in love with music and remembered why she got into it in the first place. She spent more time with her family and realized what's important in life. Making this upcoming album, she just spent time working with musicians she gelled really well with and went back to her old ways of creating from the ground up...not getting tracks sent to her to write to. That's why this time around, I truly believe she isn't as worried about the charts anymore. Of course she'd love her music to be successful, and will try to give it the exposure she wants it to...she worked hard on it and is proud of it. But she isn't making that a main concern anymore because it's pointless to put too much of your worry in something so meaningless. She's been there, and saw how it affected her, and then took time to realize what's important.
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Amazing post, so calm and collected, and of course very true. 
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Member Since: 5/2/2012
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Originally posted by swissman
Yes, well without hits Beyoncé has the highest selling female album this year, the highest grossing female tour of the year, the first artist to land all her album tracks on the Hot 100, winner of 8 VMAs, etc. etc. etc.
Very "the opposite" of success.
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 Um, I think Nemo was agreeing with you but only adjusting your description to better fit his fave's circumstance (not just seeming but, actually being successful).
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Anyway, I honestly dgaf whether or not an artist cares about charts and aims for hits; I care most about the end result of their work as that is what most impacts me as the end consumer. As long as the artist is pushing themselves, growing in their craft, artistry and point of view, I respect it and I don't think an artist has to necessarily care nor be indifferent towards chart success to do any of those things, either.
As far as achieving legendary status, there are very few music legends that aren't widely respected as artists first and foremost -- becoming a legend isn't simply about piling up various chart stats. I'm gonna use my own fave (Bey) as an example here as she's the only pop girl I know of that has outright said she wants to be a legend; however, she maneuvers in ways that completely works against her chart potential these days and yet she still without question works incredibly hard to push and improve upon herself and her work.  You can't assume that because an artist isn't prioritizing chart placement, that they're just looking for an excuse to rest on their laurels and stay within their own comfort zone.
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Member Since: 1/4/2014
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Originally posted by Dark Horse
IDidn't she call ARTPOP the album of the millennium
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Lmao you know damn well that was a joke in a tweet to a fan. It's good you remember every aspect of her twitter and career though - hope you bought "Perfect Illusion"! 
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Member Since: 1/3/2014
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Some people here are truly naive or plain delusional. Pop music is inherently tied to chart success.
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Member Since: 3/27/2012
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Originally posted by Ecstasy
No, but you need to perform it in front of people and you need it to be played on radio. Hate to break this to you but nobody will call these artists home numbers and ask them if they recorded some material
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Beyoncé didn't perform her songs, announce them, send them to radio and every single one of her songs charted on the Hot 100… you don't need all that to get people to listen to your music once you're at an established place, people respect you, and you make good music.
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Member Since: 3/27/2012
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Originally posted by inspiration4
Wanting to get your song played on the radio is NOT synonymous with caring about charts. It's just that you can't separate the two.
Thinks about it this way: If all of a sudden billboard went under and no charts replaced them, and music was just a free for all without stats, would many artists still want to be played on the radio? According to you, they wouldn't, because, according to you, radio is solely for the charts.
God forbid a musician just actually want people to jam out to their music. Such a novel, foreign concept I guess. |
Omg imagine Billboard didn't exist and no one tracked single success. HOW WOULD WE FUNCTION? Oh we'd just listen to what we wanted to.
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Member Since: 3/14/2013
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Originally posted by inspiration4
Yes, it's safe. But it's a concept that you chart-stans will never be able to grasp.
You will never understand how a musician, famous or not, might actually want to make the music that dwells in their heart rather than the music that dwells on the charts.
And this is because you're projecting your own need for success and approval from the outside world onto the artists you're paying attention to, who (thankfully) aren't governed by such unfortunate insecurities, and the resulting dependency to being liked by the masses.
That is no way to live or create.
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This articulate response
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Member Since: 7/23/2012
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Originally posted by MissedTheTrain
Of course it is. What isn't safe is caring about the charts too much and trying to make music for the sake of it charting high. Legendary, influential artists in the past never had that as a main concern. Music is art, and the most powerful stuff is stuff made for the sake of just trying to make great music. |
NEVER is the key word here.
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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The thing is, if you're only about the music and not the charts, you could easily be a successful indie artist who just tours and releases music.
By definition, pop stars are supposed to remain popular. That's part of their job, otherwise why are you doing promo, radio interviews and deals, signed to a label, etc?
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Member Since: 5/27/2016
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Everyone cares about the charts, lets be real. Everyone in the ****ing industry cares about numbers and sales AND charts.
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Member Since: 8/7/2015
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Originally posted by inspiration4
Yes, it's safe. But it's a concept that you chart-stans will never be able to grasp.
You will never understand how a musician, famous or not, might actually want to make the music that dwells in their heart rather than the music that dwells on the charts.
And this is because you're projecting your own need for success and approval from the outside world onto the artists you're paying attention to, who (thankfully) aren't governed by such unfortunate insecurities, and the resulting dependency to being liked by the masses.
That is no way to live or create.
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