But the thing is, literally anyone can make music that dwells in their heart. And not to say there isn't an audience for this. But the real risk/challenge is becoming a legend. And no one is stopping the artist from making what they want to make, but pop stars who strive for the top should shouldn't dedicate their music career around music that won't benefit their career.
And no @ projecting my own need for success and approval. Is that your own personal issue? I like it when things get interesting in the pop world. It's like sports. Pop stars content at where there at are safe and killing the fun.
Cases vary but what's the point if the pop star isn't striving to be on top anymore?
In blue is where you went wrong.
You made the (flawed) assumption that because a musician is uber-successful, their main goal is therefore to remain successful. You also assumed that because a musician might have been chasing success in the past, therefore they are still (or should be) chasing success.
Until you stop projecting what you perceive the motives of these musicians to be, you will never get it.
You made the (flawed) assumption that because a musician is uber-successful, their main goal is therefore to remain successful. You also assumed that because a musician might have been chasing success in the past, therefore they are still (or should be) chasing success.
Until you stop projecting what you perceive the motives of these musicians to be, you will never get it.
I'm not assuming anything. A pop star doesn't have to chase success if they don't want to. But the real risk IS becoming a legend / on the absolute top. Again, not saying they have to, they can stay where they're content. Nothing wrong with that, if you like being safe. It's boring for pop culture though.
Yes, well without hits Beyoncé has the highest selling female album this year, the highest grossing female tour of the year, the first artist to land all her album tracks on the Hot 100, winner of 8 VMAs, etc. etc. etc.
This is hardly an example of someone “riled up”. It’s actually very accurately stated.
if you think the first part of that post was supposed to be constructive, then you have to think again. the member editing her post later is not helping her case either.
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Riled up? They responded to your question quite calmly and they were right
I'm not talking about "seeming successful." I'm talking about being on the absolute top.
No, by challenging herself and changing things up to be on top. The same applies to previous legends Michael Jackson, Mariah Carey, etc. They all challenged themselves and were never content with their success until after multiple decades into their career.
I said "seeming successful" because if you don't care for charts you generally won't be on the top of them, and thus you need to appear successful in other ways to be successful.
Talking about being on the "absolute top".. well you don't really need Hot 100 success to seem like the absolute top.
And I wouldn't say calling Max Martin is challenging anything. Changing things up to be exactly like everyone else isn't really a bold step taken by the likes of MJ and Mariah at their pop peaks.
I'm not assuming anything. A pop star doesn't have to chase success if they don't want to. But the real risk IS becoming a legend / on the absolute top. Again, not saying they have to, they can stay where they're content. Nothing wrong with that, if you like being safe. It's boring for pop culture though.
You're literally contradicting yourself in the same sentence, and not making sense either way.
You're not assuming they want success (you say), yet a breath later you say the real risk is in not becoming a "legend". Is that NOT success?
And how can you even begin to say pop culture would be boring if musicians didn't chase success? The real innovators in LIFE, not just music, who shake things up and pull society forward are those who are taking risks and following their bliss, not those who are playing safe.
Certain artists are less convincing when they talk about "not caring for charts". But there are artists who genuinely don't care, not that caring for them is wrong, unless it becomes obsessive but even then it is foolish and naive for fans or the artist themselves to think that they release music to gather dust in some lonesome shelf and don't need or want success.
Of course it is. What isn't safe is caring about the charts too much and trying to make music for the sake of it charting high. Legendary, influential artists in the past never had that as a main concern. Music is art, and the most powerful stuff is stuff made for the sake of just trying to make great music.
I said "seeming successful" because if you don't care for charts you generally won't be on the top of them, and thus you need to appear successful in other ways to be successful.
Talking about being on the "absolute top".. well you don't really need Hot 100 success to seem like the absolute top.
So in other words... not absolute top (which is dominating literally almost everything. the last closest time we had it was Taylor during 1989: single sales, album sales, radio, youtube, awards, press, social media, etc.).
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You're literally contradicting yourself in the same sentence, and not making sense either way.
You're not assuming they want success (you say), yet a breath later you say the real risk is in not becoming a "legend". Is that NOT success?
And how can you even begin to say pop culture would be boring if musicians didn't chase success? The real innovators in LIFE, not just music, who shake things up and pull society forward are those who are taking risks and following their bliss, not those who are playing safe.
OK let's take things back to the topic of the thread: Is "not caring for charts" safe? You agreed in your first post. Thanks.
And if that's what you find interesting in pop culture, then so be it. I'm simply talking about those striving to become legends on par with Michael Jackson, the blueprint of pop stars.
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Oh yeah, it is soooo risky working with hitmaking producers, not switching up the working formula and following trends. The very thought is terrifying
If that's what you think it takes to be MJ-level..
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Of course it is. What isn't safe is caring about the charts too much and trying to make music for the sake of it charting high. Legendary, influential artists in the past never had that as a main concern.
I agree, people that care about the chart receive criticism for being money/success-hungry so they re riskier than people that say that they don't care about "quick lol singles" because that like the "cool thing to do now"
Dark Horse sis,only our faves, Katy and Taylor are risky, we already knew that, what's new?
This is what I call risky. Calling Max Martin and Joseph Khan and planing the era around what they can do to make you famous is just not the same
I'm sure it's risky, but this thread is more about becoming an actual legend. If it was that easy to be on absolute top like Taylor did with 1989 why isn't everyone doing it? Max Martin works with a bunch of people, and Joseph Khan isn't exclusive to Taylor.
And I find it kind of ridiculous that some of you are saying "Pop artists obviously care if they promote, they're lying if they say they don't".
Kelly is my fave and she has said plenty of times that she doesn't care about the charts...of course she'd love everything she releases to be successful, everybody wants that, but that isn't a main concern. It's pointless stressing over that because it isn't in your control, what's in your control is making the best music you can make. Kelly still does the typical promo routine for her music because 1, she enjoys being busy working her music and 2, she has a label/team that needs her to. Part of that is written in contracts.
Since this thread is obviously aimed at Gaga, I'll bring her up. She's had a whirlwind of a career, her first 3 releases were huge and she was nonstop, working herself past her physical limits. She never had a chance to process things, evaluate her career, and sort her priorities for what's important. Her massive success set people's expectations for her way too high. When she released ARTPOP and it didn't meet people's expectations for success, she got a lot of over the top backlash aimed at her. She never really had something like that happen and probably didn't really know how to react. While the main source of her depression she fell into after releasing that album was because of behind the scenes drama (her manager and other people in her team abandoning her and her feeling betrayed, realizing they only cared about her for money), people turning against her and giving her backlash for underperforming I'm sure did get to her. Even though she said she didn't at the time, I do think she cared...who wouldn't? Who wouldn't be upset after dealing with something like that? She was being rushed to release new music and get back out there, and released something half baked.
She finally took time away from Pop and with Cheek to Cheek, it was extremely therapeutic for her. Spending time performing with classics with a renowned artist, working hard on performances like the Sound of Music tribute and releasing a song with an important message like Til It Happens To You... she fell back in love with music and remembered why she got into it in the first place. She spent more time with her family and realized what's important in life. Making this upcoming album, she just spent time working with musicians she gelled really well with and went back to her old ways of creating from the ground up...not getting tracks sent to her to write to. That's why this time around, I truly believe she isn't as worried about the charts anymore. Of course she'd love her music to be successful, and will try to give it the exposure she wants it to...she worked hard on it and is proud of it. But she isn't making that a main concern anymore because it's pointless to put too much of your worry in something so meaningless. She's been there, and saw how it affected her, and then took time to realize what's important.
This is what I call risky. Calling Max Martin and Joseph Khan and planing the era around what they can do to make you famous is just not the same
Riskiness is another topic. I think Taylor is making music she wants to make, and music she believes in, regardless of how radio friendly it is. It was a risky move in its own way for her to go full on pop and abandon a fanbase as unaccepting of something like that as Country fans, who made her career what it was to that point. She's definitely ambitious and cares about her music being received well, she's never really released something that wasn't, but I wouldn't say the charts are her main concern.
I'm sure it's risky, but this thread is more about becoming an actual legend. If it was that easy to be on absolute top like Taylor did with 1989 why isn't everyone doing it? Max Martin works with a bunch of people, and Joseph Khan isn't exclusive to Taylor.
It's not easy to become a legend but how is trying to be one a risk. If you try and succeed good for you, if you don't succeed then try again. Then there is the opposite when you don't care about the charts and so you release music that you care about and you end up with a backlash so big that your career evaporates. That was the case with the song I posted, If Taylor releases more pop tunes and she flops what is the worst that can happen? She will still make millions and she'll just try again and the world whose standards and norms she never challenged will give her all the chances she wants. This is the case for most pop stars, as long as they care about the charts and do what they can to please people which is how they top the charts, they wont take any risks.
And I find it kind of ridiculous that some of you are saying "Pop artists obviously care if they promote, they're lying if they say they don't".
Kelly is my fave and she has said plenty of times that she doesn't care about the charts...of course she'd love everything she releases to be successful, everybody wants that, but that isn't a main concern. It's pointless stressing over that because it isn't in your control, what's in your control is making the best music you can make. Kelly still does the typical promo routine for her music because 1, she enjoys being busy working her music and 2, she has a label/team that needs her to. Part of that is written in contracts.
Since this thread is obviously aimed at Gaga, I'll bring her up. She's had a whirlwind of a career, her first 3 releases were huge and she was nonstop, working herself past her physical limits. She never had a chance to process things, evaluate her career, and sort her priorities for what's important. Her massive success set people's expectations for her way too high. When she released ARTPOP and it didn't meet people's expectations for success, she got a lot of over the top backlash aimed at her. She never really had something like that happen and probably didn't really know how to react. While the main source of her depression she fell into after releasing that album was because of behind the scenes drama (her manager and other people in her team abandoning her and her feeling betrayed, realizing they only cared about her for money), people turning against her and giving her backlash for underperforming I'm sure did get to her. Even though she said she didn't at the time, I do think she cared...who wouldn't? Who wouldn't be upset after dealing with something like that? She was being rushed to release new music and get back out there, and released something half baked.
She finally took time away from Pop and with Cheek to Cheek, it was extremely therapeutic for her. Spending time performing with classics with a renowned artist, working hard on performances like the Sound of Music tribute and releasing a song with an important message like Til It Happens To You... she fell back in love with music and remembered why she got into it in the first place. She spent more time with her family and realized what's important in life. Making this upcoming album, she just spent time working with musicians she gelled really well with and went back to her old ways of creating from the ground up...not getting tracks sent to her to write to. That's why this time around, I truly believe she isn't as worried about the charts anymore. Of course she'd love her music to be successful, and will try to give it the exposure she wants it to...she worked hard on it and is proud of it. But she isn't making that a main concern anymore because it's pointless to put too much of your worry in something so meaningless. She's been there, and saw how it affected her, and then took time to realize what's important.
Yeah if Kelly is content with where she's at then that's perfectly fine. She's not really a typical pop star striving to be on top. And I wasn't aiming specifically at Gaga, I talk about a lack of pop stars who actually challenge themselves to become actual legends. Meanwhile, a bunch of our current pop stars already think they're on top when they're really not even on the likes of Michael/Mariah.
The same applies to previous legends Michael Jackson, Mariah Carey, etc. They all challenged themselves and were never content with their success until after multiple decades into their career.