Celeb News: #GayMediaSoWhite after Frank Ocean's album is ignored by gay - Page 19

Playa Playa

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Originally posted by SpinThatShhh

"Hey guys! My album's out next week! Btw, I had a relationship with a boy once. But you wouldn't find out from the music because I never use male pronouns"

Nope! Stop talking about what you don't know...also this is the last time I'm posting about it.

We did find out from the music first

The critics who got to hear the album first reported about his sexuality and the male pronouns he used ("Bad Religion", "Forrest Gump"), it kinda blew up and people were confused, so he addressed it on his Tumblr.

But even before that he addressed his support for same-sex marriage in 2011 ("We All Try") on his first project.

After 2012 he became reclusive but took the time out four times to acknowledge his sexuality and events in the LGBT community. He congratulated Caitlyn Jenner, he reacted to marriage equality with #LoveWins, he talked about how Prince and his gender fluidity helped him come to terms with his sexuality, and he wrote the most beautiful post regarding the Orlando shooting. "Many hate us and wish we didn’t exist" is what he said.

His new albums acknowledge his relationships with men directly ("Good Guy") and use male pronouns ("Comme des Garçons"). He samples Crystal LeBeija - a trans woman - on one of them. His new music video "Nikes" is full of gayness. His new magazine includes a poem written by him about his boyfriend.

So yes, he does acknowledge LGBTQ+ exists but like a few have said in this thread...he doesn't need these racist magazines to acknowledge him.

Stepfon

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Originally posted by Playa Playa

Nope! Stop talking about what you don't know...also this is the last time I'm posting about it.

We did find out from the music first

The critics who got to hear the album first reported about his sexuality and the male pronouns he used ("Bad Religion", "Forrest Gump"), it kinda blew up and people were confused, so he addressed it on his Tumblr.

But even before that he addressed his support for same-sex marriage in 2011 ("We All Try") on his first project.

After 2012 he became reclusive but took the time out four times to acknowledge his sexuality and events in the LGBT community. He congratulated Caitlyn Jenner, he reacted to marriage equality with #LoveWins, he talked about how Prince and his gender fluidity helped him come to terms with his sexuality, and he wrote the most beautiful post regarding the Orlando shooting. "Many hate us and wish we didn’t exist" is what he said.

His new albums acknowledge his relationships with men directly ("Good Guy") and use male pronouns ("Comme des Garçons"). He samples Crystal LeBeija - a trans woman - on one of them. His new music video "Nikes" is full of gayness. His new magazine includes a poem written by him about his boyfriend.

So yes, he does acknowledge LGBTQ+ exists but like a few have said in this thread...he doesn't need these racist magazines to acknowledge him.

Educate them.

Alaska.

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Originally posted by Playa Playa

Nope! Stop talking about what you don't know...also this is the last time I'm posting about it.

We did find out from the music first

The critics who got to hear the album first reported about his sexuality and the male pronouns he used ("Bad Religion", "Forrest Gump"), it kinda blew up and people were confused, so he addressed it on his Tumblr.

But even before that he addressed his support for same-sex marriage in 2011 ("We All Try") on his first project.

After 2012 he became reclusive but took the time out four times to acknowledge his sexuality and events in the LGBT community. He congratulated Caitlyn Jenner, he reacted to marriage equality with #LoveWins, he talked about how Prince and his gender fluidity helped him come to terms with his sexuality, and he wrote the most beautiful post regarding the Orlando shooting. "Many hate us and wish we didn’t exist" is what he said.

His new albums acknowledge his relationships with men directly ("Good Guy") and use male pronouns ("Comme des Garçons"). He samples Crystal LeBeija - a trans woman - on one of them. His new music video "Nikes" is full of gayness. His new magazine includes a poem written by him about his boyfriend.

So yes, he does acknowledge LGBTQ+ exists but like a few have said in this thread...he doesn't need these racist magazines to acknowledge him.

Damn, now that's what I call a clock.

artpop

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Originally posted by Ace Reject

1) channel. Orange is the second most acclaimed album of the decade, so kinda the opposite of 'forgettable.'

2) You're sidestepping the discussion at hand - your perception of him as 'overrated' is subjective.

What is OBJECTIVE, however, is that the most important LGBT artist of this millennium (kinda sorta inarguable at this point!) released two new bodies of work after a four year hiatus, and the gay media didn't find it important to cover it.

They did write articles on Steve Grand's attempt at gaining funding to 'record' an "album," however.

In the words of Mr. Ocean (through Beyoncé): why is that?

are you on drugs hun?

Surfboardt

1. Gay media is white. Yes.
2. Even if it weren't it's hard to celebrate Frank Ocean's "outness" where (yes it's not our business but) he's never out-rightly proclaimed to be gay or bisexual. He could always wake up one day and say his music is just fictional art.
3. And yes that would be okay, he doesn't have to label himself or fit any stereotype. My point is I understand both sides of this debate.

Tuxedo

He's so pretentious smh

Surfboardt

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Originally posted by Valera

This thread is digusting

1) Frank's sexuality doesn't define him and he made it clear. He doesn't even label his sexuality (which is absolutely fine & also very clever). So I am sure he doesn't care at all that some gay-related websites didn't report about his album

Like how the **** do you want him to be a spokeperson for LGBT so badly, use male pronouns etc

He is an artistic musician (barely a celebrity) and likes to have privacy. So pls, don't force your **** on him. He can do what he wants.

2) Even if his sexuality defined him and he was one of the #instagay type of gays who make everything about their gayness and shove it to everybody's faces, it doesn't mean that the websites MUST automatically report about his album, just because he is gay.

Altho I see how the *** sites like to report about white and pop tho, so there may be some issue behind this.

This pretty much sums up how I feel.

Dark XXX

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Originally posted by L.B GAGA

CORRECTED.
As a black man,i agree. Even many black lgbt's end up being self hating and full of homophobic rhetoric. Someone needs to make a hit thread on this.

It will obviously turn into a mess.

Adonis

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Originally posted by Valera

Altho I see how the *** sites like to report about white and pop tho, so there may be some issue behind this.

The gays regularly get called out on this stuff and still nothing is done about it.

dabunique

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Originally posted by Playa Playa

Nope! Stop talking about what you don't know...also this is the last time I'm posting about it.

We did find out from the music first

The critics who got to hear the album first reported about his sexuality and the male pronouns he used ("Bad Religion", "Forrest Gump"), it kinda blew up and people were confused, so he addressed it on his Tumblr.

But even before that he addressed his support for same-sex marriage in 2011 ("We All Try") on his first project.

After 2012 he became reclusive but took the time out four times to acknowledge his sexuality and events in the LGBT community. He congratulated Caitlyn Jenner, he reacted to marriage equality with #LoveWins, he talked about how Prince and his gender fluidity helped him come to terms with his sexuality, and he wrote the most beautiful post regarding the Orlando shooting. "Many hate us and wish we didn’t exist" is what he said.

His new albums acknowledge his relationships with men directly ("Good Guy") and use male pronouns ("Comme des Garçons"). He samples Crystal LeBeija - a trans woman - on one of them. His new music video "Nikes" is full of gayness. His new magazine includes a poem written by him about his boyfriend.

So yes, he does acknowledge LGBTQ+ exists but like a few have said in this thread...he doesn't need these racist magazines to acknowledge him.

Thank You

Darius

I've honestly never heard of Steve Grande, Troye Sivan or Shawn Mendes. lol

Eternium

I've only heard of him from some gay publications and friends on Facebook

He's honestly the black David Bowie and so I'm not mad he's being ignored, but it is a problem that they'll report on someone like Halsey and irrelevant Youtube stars but not someone who can pull almost 300k first week

SpinThatShhh

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Originally posted by Playa Playa

Nope! Stop talking about what you don't know...also this is the last time I'm posting about it.

We did find out from the music first

The critics who got to hear the album first reported about his sexuality and the male pronouns he used ("Bad Religion", "Forrest Gump"), it kinda blew up and people were confused, so he addressed it on his Tumblr.

But even before that he addressed his support for same-sex marriage in 2011 ("We All Try") on his first project.

After 2012 he became reclusive but took the time out four times to acknowledge his sexuality and events in the LGBT community. He congratulated Caitlyn Jenner, he reacted to marriage equality with #LoveWins, he talked about how Prince and his gender fluidity helped him come to terms with his sexuality, and he wrote the most beautiful post regarding the Orlando shooting. "Many hate us and wish we didn’t exist" is what he said.

His new albums acknowledge his relationships with men directly ("Good Guy") and use male pronouns ("Comme des Garçons"). He samples Crystal LeBeija - a trans woman - on one of them. His new music video "Nikes" is full of gayness. His new magazine includes a poem written by him about his boyfriend.

So yes, he does acknowledge LGBTQ+ exists but like a few have said in this thread...he doesn't need these racist magazines to acknowledge him.

I shouldn't have to go searching in album deep cuts to find any reference of a romantic relationship with a man. His half-assed acknowledgement of his sexuality is pitiful. I hold my hands up in my ignorance to his use of the male pronouns, but considering you could only come up with 3 songs over his two albums I think it's excused.

You cannot hide behind the mask of the black hip-hop/rap community (a straight male-dominated community that is very homophobic) and then say that he is a good ally to the gay community. He never tries to appeal to the gay community, if anything he tries to hide his gayness to further his push his appeal within the black community. If this is the path he wants to follow with his career, I think it's misguided but fine! However, don't expect the LGBT to buy your **** when you have done little for them. Tumblr posts are nice, but they don't do anything.

Gay times covers black artists like Shamir, a very openly gay black man, yet you seem to have conveniently forget that. Frank is just not a good, open and outspoken member of the LGBTQ+ community, which is a great shame when he is in such a position of power.

What does it say about the representation of our community that the most successful musical gay figure in the last decade or so hides that part of his identity?

Shizuka

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Originally posted by Playa Playa

Nope! Stop talking about what you don't know...also this is the last time I'm posting about it.

We did find out from the music first

The critics who got to hear the album first reported about his sexuality and the male pronouns he used ("Bad Religion", "Forrest Gump"), it kinda blew up and people were confused, so he addressed it on his Tumblr.

But even before that he addressed his support for same-sex marriage in 2011 ("We All Try") on his first project.

After 2012 he became reclusive but took the time out four times to acknowledge his sexuality and events in the LGBT community. He congratulated Caitlyn Jenner, he reacted to marriage equality with #LoveWins, he talked about how Prince and his gender fluidity helped him come to terms with his sexuality, and he wrote the most beautiful post regarding the Orlando shooting. "Many hate us and wish we didn’t exist" is what he said.

His new albums acknowledge his relationships with men directly ("Good Guy") and use male pronouns ("Comme des Garçons"). He samples Crystal LeBeija - a trans woman - on one of them. His new music video "Nikes" is full of gayness. His new magazine includes a poem written by him about his boyfriend.

So yes, he does acknowledge LGBTQ+ exists but like a few have said in this thread...he doesn't need these racist magazines to acknowledge him.

LOVING this tea.

Shizuka

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Originally posted by SpinThatShhh

I shouldn't have to go searching in album deep cuts to find any reference of a romantic relationship with a man. His half-assed acknowledgement of his sexuality is pitiful. I hold my hands up in my ignorance to his use of the male pronouns, but considering you could only come up with 3 songs over his two albums I think it's excused.

You cannot hide behind the mask of the black hip-hop/rap community (a straight male-dominated community that is very homophobic) and then say that he is a good ally to the gay community. He never tries to appeal to the gay community, if anything he tries to hide his gayness to further his push his appeal within the black community. If this is the path he wants to follow with his career, I think it's misguided but fine! However, don't expect the LGBT to buy your **** when you have done little for them. Tumblr posts are nice, but they don't do anything.

Gay times covers black artists like Shamir, a very openly gay black man, yet you seem to have conveniently forget that. Frank is just not a good, open and outspoken member of the LGBTQ+ community, which is a great shame when he is in such a position of power.

What does it say about the representation of our community that the most successful musical gay figure in the last decade or so hides that part of his identity?

It's not a deep cut or really to be searched for, I guess you want him to speak of pronouns in every song even when he's telling a story that has nothing to do with that??

First you try to take a swipe at him for not speaking on it, then when it's mentioned how he addresses his sexuality it's not enough? So what you gonna be clocking everyone who isn't the right amount of prideful to you on whether or not they acknowledge their sexuality? How is him doing all those things that user listed half ass? He has to stand at a pride parade and yell his sexuality? Maybe broadcast him donating many times to LGBT organizations every time he does it (which you can't say he doesn't)? His speaking of his emotions with the same sex are so trivial? That's very odd.

What's with your obsession on how Black people view homosexuality also, he may be Black but he is also clearly a part of the LGBT community, and that's just so disrespectful to intersectionality. There's a two way street of discrimination in both communities that needs to be fixed. Frank doesn't hide behind the Hip Hop/Rap community either, he is clearly an artist that overlaps many fields, tagging him with that is just asinine and ignorant. It was clearly told to you his speaking about the LGBT community, and what he does is an an intersectional individual he acknowledges communities he is part of as a being. Never mind the fact where I don't see how he's so strongly pushing some appeal among Black people. Plus in Hip Hop/Rap there are LGBT voices on the rise and the climates are evolving in that community even if it needs more time but that's another topic.

There have been other LGBT Black individuals who have a problem with the media leaving them out. Bringing up Shamir won't change that, cause the point is one person isn't enough. There are others who are very vocal but don't get the spotlight they deserve, this is actually bigger than Frank and it's known LGBT media has a problem with showing their POC counterparts, Black people being some.

The man isn't hiding, if he was hiding he wouldn't have wrote a letter or sung his heart out about men he has had relationships with. He wouldn't put that in his art, he wouldn't claim the community, he wouldn't do any of that. Stop trying to make it that everyone has to be loud and boisterous to be proud and open, it's so exclusionary.

dabunique

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Originally posted by Shizuka

It's not a deep cut or really to be searched for, I guess you want him to speak of pronouns in every song even when he's telling a story that has nothing to do with that??

First you try to take a swipe at him for not speaking on it, then when it's mentioned how he addresses his sexuality it's not enough? So what you gonna be clocking everyone who isn't the right amount of prideful to you on whether or not they acknowledge their sexuality? How is him doing all those things that user listed half ass? He has to stand at a pride parade and yell his sexuality? Maybe broadcast him donating many times to LGBT organizations every time he does it (which you can't say he doesn't)? His speaking of his emotions with the same sex are so trivial? That's very odd.

What's with your obsession on how Black people view homosexuality also, he may be Black but he is also clearly a part of the LGBT community, and that's just so disrespectful to intersectionality. There's a two way street of discrimination in both communities that needs to be fixed. Frank doesn't hide behind the Hip Hop/Rap community either, he is clearly an artist that overlaps many fields, tagging him with that is just asinine and ignorant. It was clearly told to you his speaking about the LGBT community, and what he does is an an intersectional individual he acknowledges communities he is part of as a being. Never mind the fact where I don't see how he's so strongly pushing some appeal among Black people. Plus in Hip Hop/Rap there are LGBT voices on the rise and the climates are evolving in that community even if it needs more time but that's another topic.

There have been other LGBT Black individuals who have a problem with the media leaving them out. Bringing up Shamir won't change that, cause the point is one person isn't enough. There are others who are very vocal but don't get the spotlight they deserve, this is actually bigger than Frank and it's known LGBT media has a problem with showing their POC counterparts, Black people being some.

The man isn't hiding, if he was hiding he wouldn't have wrote a letter or sung his heart out about men he has had relationships with. He wouldn't put that in his art, he wouldn't claim the community, he wouldn't do any of that. Stop trying to make it that everyone has to be loud and boisterous to be proud and open, it's so exclusionary.

lol look at u spillin tea urself

1989

If Nick Jonas made Blonde they would have a celebration tbh

JBJT2786

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Originally posted by Shizuka

It's not a deep cut or really to be searched for, I guess you want him to speak of pronouns in every song even when he's telling a story that has nothing to do with that??

First you try to take a swipe at him for not speaking on it, then when it's mentioned how he addresses his sexuality it's not enough? So what you gonna be clocking everyone who isn't the right amount of prideful to you on whether or not they acknowledge their sexuality? How is him doing all those things that user listed half ass? He has to stand at a pride parade and yell his sexuality? Maybe broadcast him donating many times to LGBT organizations every time he does it (which you can't say he doesn't)? His speaking of his emotions with the same sex are so trivial? That's very odd.

What's with your obsession on how Black people view homosexuality also, he may be Black but he is also clearly a part of the LGBT community, and that's just so disrespectful to intersectionality. There's a two way street of discrimination in both communities that needs to be fixed. Frank doesn't hide behind the Hip Hop/Rap community either, he is clearly an artist that overlaps many fields, tagging him with that is just asinine and ignorant. It was clearly told to you his speaking about the LGBT community, and what he does is an an intersectional individual he acknowledges communities he is part of as a being. Never mind the fact where I don't see how he's so strongly pushing some appeal among Black people. Plus in Hip Hop/Rap there are LGBT voices on the rise and the climates are evolving in that community even if it needs more time but that's another topic.

There have been other LGBT Black individuals who have a problem with the media leaving them out. Bringing up Shamir won't change that, cause the point is one person isn't enough. There are others who are very vocal but don't get the spotlight they deserve, this is actually bigger than Frank and it's known LGBT media has a problem with showing their POC counterparts, Black people being some.

The man isn't hiding, if he was hiding he wouldn't have wrote a letter or sung his heart out about men he has had relationships with. He wouldn't put that in his art, he wouldn't claim the community, he wouldn't do any of that. Stop trying to make it that everyone has to be loud and boisterous to be proud and open, it's so exclusionary.

Thank You!!! These people keep coming up with their own excuses without presenting facts. You can defend ignorance.

Dark XXX

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Originally posted by Shizuka

It's not a deep cut or really to be searched for, I guess you want him to speak of pronouns in every song even when he's telling a story that has nothing to do with that??

First you try to take a swipe at him for not speaking on it, then when it's mentioned how he addresses his sexuality it's not enough? So what you gonna be clocking everyone who isn't the right amount of prideful to you on whether or not they acknowledge their sexuality? How is him doing all those things that user listed half ass? He has to stand at a pride parade and yell his sexuality? Maybe broadcast him donating many times to LGBT organizations every time he does it (which you can't say he doesn't)? His speaking of his emotions with the same sex are so trivial? That's very odd.

What's with your obsession on how Black people view homosexuality also, he may be Black but he is also clearly a part of the LGBT community, and that's just so disrespectful to intersectionality. There's a two way street of discrimination in both communities that needs to be fixed. Frank doesn't hide behind the Hip Hop/Rap community either, he is clearly an artist that overlaps many fields, tagging him with that is just asinine and ignorant. It was clearly told to you his speaking about the LGBT community, and what he does is an an intersectional individual he acknowledges communities he is part of as a being. Never mind the fact where I don't see how he's so strongly pushing some appeal among Black people. Plus in Hip Hop/Rap there are LGBT voices on the rise and the climates are evolving in that community even if it needs more time but that's another topic.

There have been other LGBT Black individuals who have a problem with the media leaving them out. Bringing up Shamir won't change that, cause the point is one person isn't enough. There are others who are very vocal but don't get the spotlight they deserve, this is actually bigger than Frank and it's known LGBT media has a problem with showing their POC counterparts, Black people being some.

The man isn't hiding, if he was hiding he wouldn't have wrote a letter or sung his heart out about men he has had relationships with. He wouldn't put that in his art, he wouldn't claim the community, he wouldn't do any of that. Stop trying to make it that everyone has to be loud and boisterous to be proud and open, it's so exclusionary.

Playa Playa

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Originally posted by Shizuka

It's not a deep cut or really to be searched for, I guess you want him to speak of pronouns in every song even when he's telling a story that has nothing to do with that??

First you try to take a swipe at him for not speaking on it, then when it's mentioned how he addresses his sexuality it's not enough? So what you gonna be clocking everyone who isn't the right amount of prideful to you on whether or not they acknowledge their sexuality? How is him doing all those things that user listed half ass? He has to stand at a pride parade and yell his sexuality? Maybe broadcast him donating many times to LGBT organizations every time he does it (which you can't say he doesn't)? His speaking of his emotions with the same sex are so trivial? That's very odd.

What's with your obsession on how Black people view homosexuality also, he may be Black but he is also clearly a part of the LGBT community, and that's just so disrespectful to intersectionality. There's a two way street of discrimination in both communities that needs to be fixed. Frank doesn't hide behind the Hip Hop/Rap community either, he is clearly an artist that overlaps many fields, tagging him with that is just asinine and ignorant. It was clearly told to you his speaking about the LGBT community, and what he does is an an intersectional individual he acknowledges communities he is part of as a being. Never mind the fact where I don't see how he's so strongly pushing some appeal among Black people. Plus in Hip Hop/Rap there are LGBT voices on the rise and the climates are evolving in that community even if it needs more time but that's another topic.

There have been other LGBT Black individuals who have a problem with the media leaving them out. Bringing up Shamir won't change that, cause the point is one person isn't enough. There are others who are very vocal but don't get the spotlight they deserve, this is actually bigger than Frank and it's known LGBT media has a problem with showing their POC counterparts, Black people being some.

The man isn't hiding, if he was hiding he wouldn't have wrote a letter or sung his heart out about men he has had relationships with. He wouldn't put that in his art, he wouldn't claim the community, he wouldn't do any of that. Stop trying to make it that everyone has to be loud and boisterous to be proud and open, it's so exclusionary.

Thank you Shizuka

Everything you said is 100% correct.

Let me just add that Forrest Gump is one of his most well-known songs and he performed it on the Grammy stage, so @SpinThatShhh it's hardly a "deep album cut" or Frank "hiding that part of his identity". Like I originally said, you and most of this thread just don't know what you're talking about when it comes to Frank.