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News: Muslim men shot in head in New York
Member Since: 6/20/2012
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Originally posted by Axel
Tbh I was also confused about the relevancy of this topic until it was made clear that it was a disgusting hate crime. Leave heckinglovato alone!
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Originally posted by Artemisia
"Hispanic man, 35, 'who hated Muslims after 9/11' is charged in fatal shooting of Queens imam and his assistant as investigation probes if he was 'hired as a hitman'"
"How is this news?" they said 
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Go check the timing of each comment, mine was made long before that information was revealed. I actually think the thread should be open right now. 
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Member Since: 5/27/2016
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So sad 
The fact that the guy wasn't caught 
EDIT - Nvm I think they found him.
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Originally posted by heckinglovato
I don't "stereotype billions of Muslims" I'm one of the biggest advocates of recognizing moderate Muslims and not generalizing when talking about a religion. Your claims that I stereotype Muslims and discriminate against all of them is entirely baseless. I call out facts when I see them and I always try to be careful with my language, especially using words like "some", "many", specific percentages, specific countries etc. So you're extremely wrong about that.
The only stereotype that occurred in this thread was the person assuming I was a Muslim just because I'm Middle Eastern, which you failed to call out, just because it was directed against me.
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But you ARE islamophobic. There are so many (yes MANY) posts made about individuals dying, yet you've only called out a thread that's about Muslim people dying (I'm also too lazy to dig further through your posts at this point because you can't be taken seriously).
You have been pretty insensitive throughout your whole ''career'' on ATRL.
Example:
http://atrl.net/forums/showthread.ph...0#post31509460
You only defend certain groups when it's convenient. Your negativity makes me question your behaviour. I'm convinced that you're trolling at this point.
Have a good day.

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Member Since: 6/20/2012
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Originally posted by Communion
Can you not read? "Racialization". If you're not going to make an effort to be knowledgable on these concepts and understand the jargon and nuanced language, don't respond.
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I'm sorry, what? There are laws on the book that protect people from verbal or physical violence, anyone can call in and report whatever prejudice they may face. Otherwise, people's exercise of free speech isn't an excuse of people getting radicalized and getting turned into terrorists.
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Originally posted by Communion
Your attitude is not only extremely islamophobic, but antisemitic.
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What? 
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الله يرحمه 
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Member Since: 6/20/2012
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Originally posted by Bad Blood
But you ARE islamophobic. There are so many (yes MANY) posts made about individuals dying, yet you've only called out a thread that's about Muslim people dying (I'm also too lazy to dig further through your posts at this point because you can't be taken seriously).
You have been pretty insensitive throughout your whole ''career'' on ATRL.
Example:
http://atrl.net/forums/showthread.ph...0#post31509460
You only defend certain groups when it's convenient. Your negativity makes me question your behaviour. I'm convinced that you're trolling at this point.
Have a good day.
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I'm actually not even a tad offended that you called me "Islamophobic", I am a harsh critic of many ideologies, only when it comes to Islam that there's an actual "phobia" names after it. Like I don't get how extremely rejecting an ideology/belief (aka Islamophobia) is supposed to be held as a thing against me?
Also, that link you quoted, is actually me laughing at a very funny joke that has nothing to do with Islam, race, or anything at all. It's making fun of the gun violence epidemic in Florida. I actually still cackle every time I hear that joke.
Again, you being "convinced" of something doesn't make it solid proof whatsoever, especially since your claims are entirely baseless and you have to go dig dirt out from outside this thread because you couldn't find anything in here besides a comment that got a reminded for being deemed as unnecessary.
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Member Since: 6/19/2012
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Originally posted by heckinglovato
Go check the timing of each comment, mine was made long before that information was revealed. I actually think the thread should be open right now. 
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Girl, I don't care. Your comment was dismissive despite that.
A possible hate crime resulting in the deaths of two muslim men and your first instinct is to question "how is this news?" ??
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Member Since: 5/27/2016
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Originally posted by heckinglovato
I'm sorry, what? There are laws on the book that protect people from verbal or physical violence, anyone can call in and report whatever prejudice they may face. Otherwise, people's exercise of free speech isn't an excuse of people getting radicalized and getting turned into terrorists.
What? 
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Oh my god, racialized. Racialized. Not radicalized. The social phenomena when groups, who would not normally be othered on the basis of race, experience a change in their relation to whiteness due to other factors (location, language, nationality).
White Latinos are racialized in the US. They're still white, but face prejudice and discrimination because their nationality makes them viewed as "othered"/non-white. In many areas of the world, even white Jews are not seen as white, but deemed as another race for being Jewish. This differs from xenophobia when there's clearly cultural markings and pillars that mirror the way racism works - caricatures, stereotypes on how a group looks, etc.
No matter how you feel about Islam, there is documented, studied evidence and cultural patterns that show the way views on Muslims in the West (especially post-9/11 America) are constructed mirrors and is extremely influenced by anti-brown racism. There is explicit racism within Islamophobia no matter how much you want to deny it.
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Originally posted by Artemisia
Girl, I don't care. Your comment was dismissive despite that.
A possible hate crime resulting in the deaths of two muslim men and your first instinct is to question "how is this news?" ??
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"Possible" was the big key, anything is a possibility at any case. But apparently it was thread-worthy according to the moderators, so I have moved on immediately. There was no need to say that I was a Muslim which is totally false, and there was no need to label me as a "racist" for it, it's the biggest reach anyone could ever pull.
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Originally posted by Communion
Oh my god, racialized. Racialized. Not radicalized. The social phenomena when groups, who would not normally be othered on the basis of race, experience a change in their relation to whiteness due to other factors (location, language, nationality).
White Latinos are racialized in the US. They're still white, but face prejudice and discrimination because their nationality makes them viewed as "othered"/non-white. In many areas of the world, even white Jews are not seen as white, but deemed as another race for being Jewish.
No matter how you feel about Islam, there is documented, studied evidence and cultural patterns that show the way views on Muslims in the West (especially post-9/11 America) are constructed mirrors and is extremely influenced by anti-brown racism. There is explicit racism within Islamophobia no matter how much you want to deny it.
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Oh, my bad for reading that comment as radicalized.
I definitely agree that in many cases, people's religious beliefs have lead to others discriminating against their race, that is a known fact that can't and shouldn't be disputed. But claiming I was "racist" (towards my own race which I like and am proud of????) for questioning the relevancy of a thread, even bearing in mind my previous criticism of the actions of many people self-described as Muslim, has nothing to do with this issue, nothing at all.
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Originally posted by heckinglovato
"Possible" was the big key, anything is a possibility at any case.
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Right. So next time you make a thread about a POSSIBLE active shooting/bombing that actually turned out to be nothing and people question the newsworthiness of it as you did here, I hope you're just as understanding.
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#heckinglovatogotexposedparty
Girl, I already told you yesterday, everybody can see right through your discriminatory ass.
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Originally posted by Artemisia
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No, because, as I have explained in that thread, I was playing with ATRL's rules which I saw in this thread. Since "possibility" was deemed as acceptable here, that thread being created was acceptable as well. I complied by literally what happened in this thread.
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Member Since: 6/20/2012
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Originally posted by Daydream
#heckinglovatogotexposedparty
Girl, I already told you yesterday, everybody can see right through your discriminatory ass.
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Except I have debunked anything and everything being claimed against me, as I have debunked you very thoroughly yesterday. This has happened multiple times before and I stood my ground solidly each time, actually. 
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I do have to go now, but I'm glad I was able to debunk all claims (again). Sorry this thread had to go a bit off-topic, I understand if that is warnable.
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Originally posted by Communion
Fact: In America and other white supremacist Western nations, especially post-9/11, the extreme prejudice and bigotry Middle Eastern Americans, Arab Americans and Muslim Americans face results in a racialization of those who "identify" as Muslim (or who are believed to be Muslim). This results in even European Muslims (aka white Muslims) and non-Muslim brown folks with ME ancestry facing racial prejudice. 
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There's definitely a "racializiation" of Muslims (and non-Muslims who are perceived as Muslim) in the US, but not as much in other countries. Islamophobia is rampant in European countries like Germany and France, but even average people would never confuse a Turkish person with a South Asian. I told a Frenchman I met that it's normal in the US for an Indian/South Asian to be perceived as a Muslim and harassed and he thought it was strange.
Also, the "extreme prejudice and bigotry" Arab Americans and other Middle Eastern Americans face? And European Muslims? Not really. Statistics have shown that the vast majority of Americans that have faced harassment or even violence due to Islamophobia are South Asians (most of whom aren't even Muslims) like the Bangladeshi imam in this story. Mainstream Americans picture a South Asian when they hear "Muslim" or "Middle Eastern".
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RIP to the victims.
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The way this thread derailed so quickly 
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Member Since: 5/27/2016
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poor guy 
islamophobia is a derivative of racism thats still present in the west world.
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