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Discussion: Question for anti-Black Lives Matter users...
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Question for anti-Black Lives Matter users...
You guys keep speaking about how the movement is doing nothing but harm and further damage, but if that's the case, why aren't any of you offering better solutions or trying to help black people in a way you seem better fit? All Live Matter, right? If that's statement is so near and dear to your heart, then what are you doing to help black people, other minorities, and the issue of police brutality?
BLM do nothing but bitch and moan without looking for a solution, so I'm assuming you guys are out on the streets taking matters into your own hands, correct?
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Well this should be interesting.
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Originally posted by Roman Holiday
You guys keep speaking about how the movement is doing nothing but harm and further damage, but if that's the case, why aren't any of you offering better solutions or trying to help black people in a way you seem better fit? All Live Matter, right? If that's statement is so near and dear to your heart, then what are you doing to help black people, other minorities, and the issue of police brutality?
BLM do nothing but bitch and moan without looking for a solution, so I'm assuming you guys are out on the streets taking matters into your own hands, correct?
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The only thing they can do is not being racist themselves, thatīs how an ''opressive system'' changes so they are doing something
BLM has become a joke not because of what they stand for (because I support it and itīs great) but the real reason why this ALM movement came is because of how ridiculous some people has become within the BLM stuff, worrying about 'cultural appropiation' and screaming 'we want DEAD COPS'. They are ruining the good intensions of the whole thing since the stupid people is the one getting attention
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What are you doing for asian lives then if it's not just about the blacks. Doing nothing for any race/treat them all equal is the solution. However, there are still many people who discriminate minorities. The slogan black lives matter implies that ONLY black lives matter, it should be black lives ALSO matter.
Anyway I'm from Europe and here it's not an issue so I'm sorry if it sounds ignorant and romanticized.
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Originally posted by LionH3art
What are you doing for asian lives then if it's not just about the blacks. Doing nothing for any race/treat them all equal is the solution. However, there are still many people who discriminate minorities. The slogan black lives matter implies that ONLY black lives matter, it should be black lives ALSO matter.
Anyway I'm from Europe and here it's not an issue so I'm sorry if it sounds ignorant and romanticized.
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Member Since: 2/5/2014
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Originally posted by Glassmouth
The only thing they can do is not being racist themselves, thatīs how an ''opressive system'' changes so they are doing something
BLM has become a joke not because of what they stand for (because I support it and itīs great) but the real reason why this ALM movement came is because of how ridiculous some people has become within the BLM stuff, worrying about 'cultural appropiation' and screaming 'we want DEAD COPS'. They are ruining the good intensions of the whole thing since the stupid people is the one getting attention
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This whole joke thing is very interesting to me, so with other social movements that have had people making radical statements among the small amount, are they jokes too? This idea that the movement was going to stay free of people being uncentered was always unrealistic.
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Originally posted by LionH3art
What are you doing for asian lives then if it's not just about the blacks. Doing nothing for any race/treat them all equal is the solution. However, there are still many people who discriminate minorities. The slogan black lives matter implies that ONLY black lives matter, it should be black lives ALSO matter.
Anyway I'm from Europe and here it's not an issue so I'm sorry if it sounds ignorant and romanticized.
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Supporting multiple movements and other minorities is possible.
"Doing nothing" = getting nothing, the problem is not everyone is treated equally. So how is doing nothing gonna fix that?
The implication is not "only" it's "too", this idea that it's some exclusionary act denying others lives isn't BLM fault when it doesn't state that.
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Originally posted by LionH3art
What are you doing for asian lives then if it's not just about the blacks. Doing nothing for any race/treat them all equal is the solution. However, there are still many people who discriminate minorities. The slogan black lives matter implies that ONLY black lives matter, it should be black lives ALSO matter.
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How you interpret the term to mean does not equate to what the term, and the people who actually use the term, mean it. That is where your analysis fails.
As how has been stated previously the proper words that are before black lives matter would be:
Because of the brutalizing and killing of black people at the hands of the police and the indifference to society in general and the criminal justice system in particular, it is important to say....
But of course that won't fit on a hashtag. This is widely known. Just because you choose to be willfully ignorant does not change that fact.
Lastly, your first argument about Asians also fail. Unless you would like to stop individual days and fundraising for Cancer, Aids, and other diseases, because all diseases are equal, you cannot justifiably state that premise. However, if you are willing to do that go ahead and argue your point.
Edit: Being from Europe makes your post worst based on the fact Americans no longer throw Bananas at Black people, but Europeans continue practices like this and other discrimination. Add the fact that Europeans do not actually face their know discrimination issues makes Europe really lacking.
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Originally posted by LionH3art
What are you doing for asian lives then if it's not just about the blacks. Doing nothing for any race/treat them all equal is the solution. However, there are still many people who discriminate minorities. The slogan black lives matter implies that ONLY black lives matter, it should be black lives ALSO matter.
Anyway I'm from Europe and here it's not an issue so I'm sorry if it sounds ignorant and romanticized.
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Ain't like... all of mainland Europe 90%+ white?.....
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Originally posted by LionH3art
What are you doing for asian lives then if it's not just about the blacks. Doing nothing for any race/treat them all equal is the solution. However, there are still many people who discriminate minorities. The slogan black lives matter implies that ONLY black lives matter, it should be black lives ALSO matter.
Anyway I'm from Europe and here it's not an issue so I'm sorry if it sounds ignorant and romanticized.
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Originally posted by Glassmouth
The only thing they can do is not being racist themselves, thatīs how an ''opressive system'' changes so they are doing something
BLM has become a joke not because of what they stand for (because I support it and itīs great) but the real reason why this ALM movement came is because of how ridiculous some people has become within the BLM stuff, worrying about 'cultural appropiation' and screaming 'we want DEAD COPS'. They are ruining the good intensions of the whole thing since the stupid people is the one getting attention
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It's like..... you didn't even read the OP
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Originally posted by LionH3art
What are you doing for asian lives then if it's not just about the blacks. Doing nothing for any race/treat them all equal is the solution. However, there are still many people who discriminate minorities. The slogan black lives matter implies that ONLY black lives matter, it should be black lives ALSO matter.
Anyway I'm from Europe and here it's not an issue so I'm sorry if it sounds ignorant and romanticized.
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You feel the same about breasts cancer awareness too I'm sure. I mean what about prostate cancer? All cancers matter, amirite?
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Originally posted by LionH3art
What are you doing for asian lives then if it's not just about the blacks. Doing nothing for any race/treat them all equal is the solution. However, there are still many people who discriminate minorities. The slogan black lives matter implies that ONLY black lives matter, it should be black lives ALSO matter.
Anyway I'm from Europe and here it's not an issue so I'm sorry if it sounds ignorant and romanticized.
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It's interesting, because I've personally never met one black person who is part of the BLM movement who believes black people are somehow the only race that matters. On the contrary, I've heard many say they would gladly support a Latino Lives Matter and Asian Lives Matter movements if Latinos and Asians decided to mobilize. All Lives Matter people on the other hand seem to denounce any minority group "making it all about them".
As a Laitino myself, I'd be lying if I said the issues my people face don't affect me more, therefore I am more invested in fighting for our causes. ALM people seem to think this is selfish and wrong on my part though. I would gladly take the time to help out other minorities, as me and many other latinos and whites have done for the BLM movement. The self-proclaimed ALM people however don't want any group to have specialized attention. If that's so, then shouldn't you be on the frontlines for ALL of us?
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Fight actual racists rather than the people who don't like your hashtag.
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Originally posted by LionH3art
What are you doing for asian lives then if it's not just about the blacks. Doing nothing for any race/treat them all equal is the solution. However, there are still many people who discriminate minorities. The slogan black lives matter implies that ONLY black lives matter, it should be black lives ALSO matter.
Anyway I'm from Europe and here it's not an issue so I'm sorry if it sounds ignorant and romanticized.
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As if you treat people from asia well. Don't get me started. You guys are the pits especially eastern Europe on matters of race relations.
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Originally posted by karron0624
How you interpret the term to mean does not equate to what the term, and the people who actually use the term, mean it. That is where your analysis fails.
As how has been stated previously the proper words that are before black lives matter would be:
Because of the brutalizing and killing of black people at the hands of the police and the indifference to society in general and the criminal justice system in particular, it is important to say....
But of course that won't fit on a hashtag. This is widely known. Just because you choose to be willfully ignorant does not change that fact.
Lastly, your first argument about Asians also fail. Unless you would like to stop individual days and fundraising for Cancer, Aids, and other diseases, because all diseases are equal, you cannot justifiably state that premise. However, if you are willing to do that go ahead and argue your point.
Edit: Being from Europe makes your post worst based on the fact Americans no longer throw Bananas at Black people, but Europeans continue practices like this and other discrimination. Add the fact that Europeans do not actually face their know discrimination issues makes Europe really lacking.
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I understand what it means, but the slogan black live matters implies something else and that's why I believe less people support it. It is honestly badly framed and it is ignorant to think everyone would just blindly see through this. The meaning of the movement doesn't transcend in the slogan.
The analogy is off. But okay sure: all diseases need a treatment, the treatments differ: however, to say that they need different treatments you are basically saying that black PEOPLE differ from asian PEOPLE... Can't be what you mean. Everyone should be treat the same independent of race. As I said not everyone is doing that. I know I do treat people the same and stimulate my friends in doing the same. That's the best solution. Word of mouth.
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Originally posted by SilencePlease
Fight actual racists rather than the people who don't like your hashtag.
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There's a lot of intersectionality there you're overlooking.
And y'all need to stop with this "HASH TAGS ARE NOT IMPORTANT" rhetoric. Hashtags are basically the picket signs/protest chants of the modern era. They're a way of signifying unity and support.
It would be upsetting to go to a gay rights rally and have people there trying to overpower the message by yelling "STRAIGHT LIVES MATTER TOO".
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any sort of awareness is beneficial, tbh the only people bitching are just racist or lowkey racist
personally i think all lives matter, but i do see how specific groups seek specific attention, they are the ones dealing with the issue more frequently than any other ethnicity.
anyone saying it's doing bad just doesn't like change, we dont need to live in a society like this and we all know it deep down.
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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Originally posted by LionH3art
however, to say that they need different treatments you are basically saying that black PEOPLE differ from asian PEOPLE... Can't be what you mean. Everyone should be treat the same independent of race. As I said not everyone is doing that. I know I do treat people the same and stimulate my friends in doing the same. That's the best solution. Word of mouth.
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I'm sorry to say, but black people are different from Asian people. Asian people are different from latinos. Latinos are different from whites. We are all different cultures who have to deal with different issues. It's easy to say everyone should be treated the same. That would be amazing, but the fact of the matter is, they aren't.
And considering a majority of white people are not racist, word of mouth alone has clearly not worked so far considering ho much minorities still have to fight for recognition. It's not the best solution, I'm sorry to say.
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Originally posted by LionH3art
I understand what it means, but the slogan black live matters implies something else and that's why I believe less people support it. It is honestly badly framed and it is ignorant to think everyone would just blindly see through this. The meaning of the movement doesn't transcend in the slogan.
The analogy is off. But okay sure: all diseases need a treatment, the treatments differ: however, to say that they need different treatments you are basically saying that black PEOPLE differ from asian PEOPLE... Can't be what you mean. Everyone should be treat the same independent of race. As I said not everyone is doing that. I know I do treat people the same and stimulate my friends in doing the same. That's the best solution. Word of mouth.
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Cause it's not about being different levels of a person, it's more like the issues being dealt with are different and so are the struggles that need to be addressed.
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Originally posted by SilencePlease
Fight actual racists rather than the people who don't like your hashtag.
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It's not just a hashtag, it's an actual movement.
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Originally posted by LionH3art
I understand what it means, but the slogan black live matters implies something else and that's why I believe less people support it. It is honestly badly framed and it is ignorant to think everyone would just blindly see through this. The meaning of the movement doesn't transcend in the slogan.
The analogy is off. But okay sure: all diseases need a treatment, the treatments differ: however, to say that they need different treatments you are basically saying that black PEOPLE differ from asian PEOPLE... Can't be what you mean. Everyone should be treat the same independent of race. As I said not everyone is doing that. I know I do treat people the same and stimulate my friends in doing the same. That's the best solution. Word of mouth.
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But you can't unilaterially change a meaning to mean what you want it to mean when it has an inherent definition. By saying only, you are making the statement "I know what the definition is, but this is what the definition should be and how I will interpret it."
Actually, the analogy perfectly meets what you just said. Black people and Asian people are inherently different when it comes to their relationship with law enforcement. This is why the need different remedies for dealing with oppresive forces. The same way how in the entertainment industry, Asians and Blacks are represented differently as well. This is the reason you have both Asian societys and Black societys. Like you have Cancer societys that are different. So even by your argument the analogy works.
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