Discussion: Why don't "illegal immigrants" go to Canada? - Page 2

Patri

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Originally posted by Tropez

I don't get this.

I'm saying why don't they travel to Canada? The US-Canadian border is a joke. Mexicans have a no Visa requirement. Its easier to get refugee status in Canada, becoming a legal immigrant is easier. And its easier to get you family included in citizenship.

Its more logical to enter Canada. Plus the country needs more immigrants since it has a declining birthrate.

Not sure where you got the bolded part and not sure what kind of hoops you need to jump thru to get citizenship in the States but getting residency/citizenship in Canada is extremely lengthy and complicated - unless you're coming from the Middle East at which point we're tripping over our own feet to accommodate you.

B'Day

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Originally posted by Deuces

Ya'll do realize most illegal immigrants come via plane to the US legally and then just overstay their VISAs right?

Ya'll talkin' about crossing two borders and ****. Most Mexican immigrants are not hopping over fences and running thru the grass.

Communion

This seems interesting:

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Mexican migration to Canada differs from that to the United States in many ways. Mexican immigrants represent a small proportion of immigrants in Canada (less than half a percent); they have a relatively short history of migration to Canada; they tend to come from middle-and upper-middle class backgrounds; they do not live in segregated or concentrated enclaves; and the majority come as legal immigrants. While approximately 5,000 Mexicans enter Canada each year as temporary contract workers for agriculture, these are not counted as immigrants because of their explicitly temporary legal status. Unlike the United States’ Bracero program, the temporary-worker program in Canada has various mechanisms to discourage workers from overstaying their permits.

With respect to class, Mexicans in Canada are not only from middle- to upper-class backgrounds; many are well educated and come with professional degrees or as students. While their educational levels may be low compared to other immigrant groups in Canada, 16 percent in 1995 had a bachelor’s degree or above, and 30 percent had trade qualifications or some university education. The majority come from urban areas, including Mexico City, Puebla, Guadalajara, San Luis Potosí, and Acapulco. Many Mexican immigrants in Canada have come because of a desire to improve their already relatively comfortable economic position.

Although this generalization holds for the community as a whole, Mexicans are a heterogenous group of immigrants who come from various regions and different social and economic backgrounds. Four broad groups can be identified among Mexican immigrants. First, there are the middle- or upper-class professionals who decided to migrate to enhance their professional or economic opportunities and to improve their children’s opportunities. Many of these immigrants come with family members. They have made a definite decision to immigrate to Canada and probably have some knowledge of English. They are the most likely to remain in a professional occupation in Canada. A second, and closely related group, is made up of middle-class immigrants with professional degrees, technical training, or certification but who generally do not have much proficiency in English or French. They are similar to the first group in that they made the decision to migrate and met Canadian immigration requirements, but they tend to have less knowledge about Canada. This group has been increasing in recent years, and is more likely to include single persons or couples who arrive without children.

http://www.city-data.com/forum/mexic...#ixzz4FazeW0GU

As someone else said, the process is probably more complicated for Mexican immigrants to migrate to Canada, so mainly upperclass Mexicans have the accessibility, while many Mexican-Americans are people who didn't really move anywhere, but have lived in the same area for generations, and the border of the US changed.

supaspaz

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Originally posted by Tropez

The recent influx of Latinos is recent. Like around the 1960s/70s recent. Before that it was mostly a very few white Hispanics from Cuba, PR and Mexico. Who formed no community. They saw each other as different people and not Latino.

So if they can create such a community in a generation, they can do the same in Canada.

What are you talking about? First of all, in the southwestern and western United States, there were already Latinos there before those states were even formed, so your premise is complete nonsense. And Latino immigration has been a major force in the US for more than a century. The US took over Puerto Rico in 1898, while Mexicans have been used as farm labor since the early 20th century (e.g. the bracero program).

Tropez

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Originally posted by supaspaz

What are you talking about? First of all, in the southwestern and western United States, there were already Latinos there before those states were even formed, so your premise is complete nonsense. And Latino immigration has been a major force in the US for more than a century. The US took over Puerto Rico in 1898, while Mexicans have been used as farm labor since the early 20th century (e.g. the bracero program).

The majority of the people who lived in those areas when the US annexed it were Native Americans of various tribes that the Mexicans could not control. The Mexicans hardly lived there, and the ones that did were given white status under the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo, and later confirmed in a Supreme Court Case. Under that treaty, the US was to take care of the devastating raids by the Native Americans.

Many Americans were there before it was annexed by the US. And many of these same Americans forced the independence of Texas.

After that, Latinos were not the major trend in immigration. Europeans especially Germans made the bulk of immigration. At one point German was the second most spoken language in the US. By the 20th century, the US had immigration quotas that made it harder to immigrate unless you were Puerto Rican. They made the majority of Latinos in the US. But like I said before, the majority of the Latinos coming into the US were white Latinos because they had the money.

It wasn't until the around the 60s were we see mass immigration from Latin America. The creation of the Latino/Hispanic pan-identity. And the removal of quotas. NAFTA really pushed Mexican immigration in the 90s, which destroyed the poor financially.