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Discussion: Can transracial be a thing?
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Originally posted by Energy
Nope. Things like sexuality and gender identity come from within. Many sides of the binary experience similar things so it makes sense for individuals to feel that they do not fit into just one or none at all.
No white girl born in WhatTheFuk, Wyoming can tell me, a Mexican-American that she truly understands the experiences of trying to get her citizenship, eating her abuela's tamales on holidays, etc. to be transracial is to literally perpertrate the culture of an enitre group of people and it will never make logical sense no matter how hard yall try.
To be black, to be Japanese, to be Muslim, to be Danish, etc are all not just titles but experiences of shared culture. You cannot "feel" that if you aren't a part of it, sorry. |
Gender identity is social construct because gender itself is not real.
Your later statement is problematic because you imply that all members of a race have the same experience and culture (culture is gained through surroundings, not genes). Meanwhile your experience in life is shaped by your gender just as much as its shaped by your race.
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Originally posted by Retro
Okay no, while I respect everyone's right to self-determination I think being transgender is vastly different from the concept of being "transracial" (which, as some have mentioned, carries some concerns regarding privilege and status), and both are wildly different from the otherkin concept.
I have concerns with this concept of being transracial. I have concerns that we view people of color who lighten their skin or admire Eurocentric features a certain way and view this concept entirely differently. I have concerns that this concept minimizes people's experience by implying you can be white and then just up and become black, Asian, latina or latino, etc.
But I am no expert on this subject and I am open to education by people actually affected by these things.
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Not saying I agree with transraces, but for the purposes of the thread, I mean it in the sense of:
SOME people live in places where they are discriminated against on the basis of race, so the ones that can pass for a different race do so in order to avoid discrimination and racism.
Similar to how mixed blacks that could pass for white did so in order to not be treated like a second-class citizen. And then just imagine someone doing something like that today.
There are a lot of blacks with oriental eyes who can pass as Filipino, for example. They might feel like they are giving themselves an easier life by identifying as such.
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Anne Finn Enke, a transfeminist, writes about trans* and trans- the prefixes: "It is not simply a noun. With its mobilities, it modifies; it is a motion anticipating a second; it enacts, it continues with a question, and a star."
Following this reasoning, when trans* or trans- is put in front of gender, we have a disrupted gender...Likewise, when we put trans* or trans- in front of race or racial, we have transrace and transracial: disrupted races and ethnicities.
These are new concepts I really like. I also think they embody actual experiences of trans folk of colour.
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Originally posted by lipstick lesbian
Anne Finn Enke, a transfeminist, writes about trans* and trans- the prefixes: "It is not simply a noun. With its mobilities, it modifies; it is a motion anticipating a second; it enacts, it continues with a question, and a star."
Following this reasoning, when trans* or trans- is put in front of gender, we have a disrupted gender...Likewise, when we put trans* or trans- in front of race or racial, we have transrace and transracial: disrupted races and ethnicities.
These are new concepts I really like. I also think they embody actual experiences of trans folk of colour.
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What does "disrupted" mean in this case?
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If transgender/sexual is a thing I don't see why not
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Originally posted by St. Charles
We have heard of a lot of other things, such as transgender and transspecies, so why not this?
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Originally posted by Otter
Gender identity is social construct because gender itself is not real.
Your later statement is problematic because you imply that all members of a race have the same experience and culture (culture is gained through surroundings, not genes). Meanwhile your experience in life is shaped by your gender just as much as its shaped by your race.
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Yes it is real... Wtf? Men and women have different workups + genitals, which is why gender separation exists. Are you saying it's not real because society gave it a name? I never understand this argument. 
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Originally posted by Mani.
Yes it is real... Wtf? Men and women have different workups + genitals, which is why gender separation exists. Are you saying it's not real because society gave it a name? I never understand this argument. |
There is no "male" or "female" gender.
Even arguing there is only a male and female sex ignores that there's no naturalistic separation of sex organs or chromosomes sorted by these conceptions. Most of this stems from religions anyway and the creation of a power system rooted in a male/female privileged/oppressed dynamic. There are people who are born with a sex organ like a penis, but also are born with ovaries - what sex would you call them? If they have a certain chromosome combination, does that change it?
Most people have certain sex organs, usually in some common combination, but some have variant combinations. That's barely any grounds to try and then construct what gender people identify as.
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As long as someone has a deep appreciation for another race's culture/background, can relate to it, and wants to be apart of it I don't see why not.
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Trans psichology is so hard to understand no one can give a correct answer on this topic.
Even though I don't get it idgaf what people do with their bodies.
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Absolutely not. Transgenderism has an actual basis in science. Transracial, otherkin etc are purely the invention of special snowflakes.
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Originally posted by Communion
There is no "male" or "female" gender.
Even arguing there is only a male and female sex ignores that there's no naturalistic separation of sex organs or chromosomes sorted by these conceptions. Most of this stems from religions anyway and the creation of a power system rooted in a male/female privileged/oppressed dynamic. There are people who are born with a sex organ like a penis, but also are born with ovaries - what sex would you call them? If they have a certain chromosome combination, does that change it?
Most people have certain sex organs, usually in some common combination, but some have variant combinations. That's barely any grounds to try and then construct what gender people identify as.
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No one's saying that only the male and female gender exists.... but if you have JUST a penis or vagina, those gender labels are for YOU. People with combination have a label too, just like anything else in this world. It just confuses me that everything has a name, but since you aren't comfortable with the name given to your gender, you want to act as if it's this "fake" non existent thing.. does that rule apply to everything in this world to you? I'm sure if you had a child, you would name it.
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SJW think I'm transracial because I left Islam.
Because Islam is clearly a race
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Maybe not genetically but psychologically sure.
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Originally posted by 7/27
Maybe not genetically but psychologically sure.
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I think this hits the nail on the head.
It's interesting to see all the sides to the discussion.
As someone else said, I think transethnic would be the more appropriate term.
I agree that gender is a social construct, particularly in terms of how to think and behave (ie. what is feminine and masculine "behaviour'), but you can't disregard the sexual organs a person is born with, just as you wouldn't disregard the skin colour or physical features of a full white person who claims they are black.
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Y'all brought this back? 
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Originally posted by Harrier
Absolutely not. Transgenderism has an actual basis in science. Transracial, otherkin etc are purely the invention of special snowflakes.
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Originally posted by Otter
Gender identity is social construct because gender itself is not real.
Your later statement is problematic because you imply that all members of a race have the same experience and culture (culture is gained through surroundings, not genes). Meanwhile your experience in life is shaped by your gender just as much as its shaped by your race.
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That's honestly just not true. Gender dysphoria is a real thing. There have been numerous studies about the innate differences between sexes.
Have you heard of the case of David Reimer? He was born a boy but as a result of a botched circumcision, was raised as a girl. He exhibited a boat load of problems, as a result, and ended up killing himself.
There is no difference in the brain patterns of people of different races, so transracial does not make sense in the same way that transgender does.
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Originally posted by Melquiades
Yes. Race is a social construct.
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.... no, it's not? Race is literally something that exists wth
Well, I guess, I mean like at this point in countries like Mexico, Brazil and stuff like that race is something less of a thing since we have a lot of different mixes so
but no one uses that messy ''transfracial'' thing but to each their own
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