Discussion: BLM shuts down gay parade - Page 8

Moonage Daydream

Can people stop generalizing the entire BLM movement based on this? This is just ONE localized branch of BLM, and there's nothing to suggest they have any correlation with the American version aside from being inspired by them to form their own movement. You didn't see American BLM protesters interrupt any pride parades in the US, so there's no reason to think they would endorse doing this.

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Originally posted by RatedG²

For those saying that it's not the time and place

When is the time and place for this then? A genuine question I'm not being a smart ass lol

I can't answer this, but tbh I'm not sure what is being accomplished by doing this. Yes, every point they made is 100% valid, but in the end will the media actually focus on their concerns or will the narrative be predictably presented as a minority group arrogantly crashing another marginalized group's festivities? Did they even think this through? You wouldn't see BLM in the US pulling this kind of stunt because they would know how miserably it would backfire on them. I get that sometimes you have to resort to doing something shocking and radical in order to bring attention to issues that are normally ignored, but I don't think that this is a particular case that will work out in favor of black queer people and black people in general.

Circinus

I didn't even know that BLM was a thing in Canada

Anyway, even if their point is valid, no one is going to support their platform after pulling a stunt like this. Especially considering what just happened in Orlando (yes, I know that was the US) this was really bad timing. That's what happens when an organization has absolutely no leadership; people just run around doing whatever want they want rather than what is most effective. All this does is feed into the angry black stereotype and add to the increasingly large pile of negative BLM headlines.

I really wish the black gay community would stop begging for crumbs from white gays. I'd rather just throw a black LGBT pride event and call it a day.

.aR

edit in "for black queer/trans communities in the title because some of these white gays are continuing to show their true colors

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Originally posted by NE.

Have you read anything in this thread?

There is no minority "tearing down another". Being Black and gay is INTERSECTIONAL.

The fact that you are still trying to isolate Blacks and gays as two separate entities further shows that the gay community is a whitewashed, Eurocentric that disregards people of color.

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St. Charles

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Originally posted by careerfatality

maybe its time to talk about homophobia in black community too

god forbid!!!!!

Energy

I got time today, cus yall are trying it.

Anybody with an ounce of sense realizes that colorism and racism are alive and well. Black/darker people get ******* on everywhere and I know yall know this so why are yall chosing to act stupid like yall don't understand the concept of what they are protesting?

It's almost like you all are refuse to acknowledge racism because it means yall have to admit that something is not right and that yall are wrong. Go to any gay dating site or watch the majority of gay representation in the media and you can obviously see that it's a reflection of mainstream society which is RACIST AS HELL.

You all aren't ignorant, yall are just truly racist and aren't willing to stand in that truth.

Toya

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Originally posted by Callisto.

I love how it's actually LGBT black people protesting unfair treatment in the gay community, but it's being presented as Black people disrupting a gay event.

They're protesting Black erasure in the gay community while the media is erasing their gayness to present an angry black narrative.

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Originally posted by NE.

Have you read anything in this thread?

There is no minority "tearing down another". Being Black and gay is INTERSECTIONAL.

The fact that you are still trying to isolate Blacks and gays as two separate entities further shows that the gay community is a whitewashed, Eurocentric that disregards people of color.

Wow all of this is so true

Homebrand

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Originally posted by NE.

Have you read anything in this thread?

There is no minority "tearing down another". Being Black and gay is INTERSECTIONAL.

The fact that you are still trying to isolate Blacks and gays as two separate entities further shows that the gay community is a whitewashed, Eurocentric that disregards people of color.

Well what would you call BLM activists shutting down a gay pride event then?

And im not isolating blacks and gays. Stop putting words in my mouth. They are both minorities and we should both be more tolerant of eachother. I said nothing and being black and gay.

Donovan

this is quite disheartening and quite disgusting

Bellerophon

What are they doing in Canada?

vamp

messed up.

funnychick

"No rice, no spice, no chocolate" NAH

cloudinthesky

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Originally posted by Alystar

Couldn't they join forces with the white LGBTs instead yet highlighting the Black LGBT minorities instead of crashing in, ruining the purpose of the protest, and being the center of attention for the wrong reason? Crashing to make their voices to be heard isn't really helping and it's making them look worse and hated. The media is going to have a field trip on it.

I think therein lies the problem though. A lot of white gays don't WANT to join forces with lgbt poc. The same people who shout "no rice, no spice, no chocolate" and call it "preference, not racism" are the ones sitting in the majority. Why would they want to highlight poc LGBTs, especially black ones at that?

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Originally posted by ontherocks

We have always had love for over hundreds and thousands of years. We didn't have justice though. (and no, I am not speaking about typical social justice warriors)

And I mean, POC are not really represented in the LGBT community. This is a fact and never ever discussed. Obviously drastic things need to be done, because I feel that otherwise the bigots in our own community (and there are a lot) are not even listening anymore.

Agree 100%. You can see this mindset in this very thread.

I think we can mostly agree that BLM went over the top here. But why does that suddenly give you all free reign to undermine their cause? Some of you will NEVER admit that what they're protesting is even a problem because all you see is "black people disrupting our fun to whine about their rights again", "black people crying out for attention again", "black people whining about racism in the lgbt community but they all hate lgbt people", etc.

Allow yourselves to indulge in some critical thinking for once. These situations are not all black and white (no pun intended). They aren't mutually exclusive. You don't have to hate BLM and the fight for equality among poc in order to support your fellow gays (or your fellow white gays in this case).

Communion

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Originally posted by Homebrand

Well what would you call BLM activists shutting down a gay pride event then?

And im not isolating blacks and gays. Stop putting words in my mouth. They are both minorities and we should both be more tolerant of eachother. I said nothing and being black and gay.

The refusal to mention that it is a QUEER branch of BLM doing this is telling.

Queer/LGBT BLM folks are doing this. Are you saying LGBT BLM members are homophobic.... to LGBT folks? What?

Obsession

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Originally posted by princedonte

Please stop making us into victims. BLM is straight up homophobic they always try to play victim but they are just as bigoted as everybody else.

I agree. I'm not gonna sit down here and say it isn't true. That's why I said there are black people who don't like LGBTs - I am 100% positive that there are black people who dislike gays who are part of BLM. There are probably even some of those people who used this event as an opportunity to interrupt the Pride Parade.

It doesn't sound like that's the entire picture though, and I think it's very unfair to brush aside some of the possibly serious concerns that are brought up by saying "oh they interrupted a Pride Parade, how rude". There are queer POCs who aren't happy with how they are being treated in the LGBT community by white LGBTs and their voices deserve to be heard as well.

It's not about being a victim. I don't get up in the morning and think of all the ways the world has stacked the odds against me, I go about my day and I do what I have to do and I treat everyone as fairly and with as much love as I possibly can - but I do care about how we stack the odds against each other and we make it so hard for each other to come up based on the most stupid and inane crap we can think of. I support any endeavor that aims to try and right those wrongs in the best way possible - I see BLM as bringing about a conversation that needs to be had and I think the LGBT community is doing a good job with certain conversations. But better can be done by both sides and this looks like it was an attempt by the BLM to bring that very real point up with Toronto Pride. Their execution wasn't the best, but I don't think it invalidates what needs to be said.

Queer POCs are persecuted more than their white counterparts. It's a fact, you wanna deny it or you wanna say that we're not victims, you're entirely free to do so. But we are allowed to be angry at how we are treated in comparison to everyone else and we do have a right to want to make the world a better place and fairer to us.

Retro

I mean, they have a damn point y'all, and they're talking about issues within the gay community and its intersection with black individuals.

I'm not sure why there's such this averse reaction to the idea that all groups within this particular pride parade, within this community, deserve equitable treatment?