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Discussion: UK may join European Economic Area | EU Referendum
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Originally posted by skankle
If we joined the EEA we would save 9% compared to our current fees and that's if we also completely covered the money gave to us elsewhere (CAP, Structural Funds etc.)- page 88 here
"Since the UK net contribution amounts £117 per capita, if it withdrew to the EEA and paid into the EU budget on the same basis as Norway, it would reduce its contribution by 9 per cent."
But I doubt we'll do that thanks to anti-immigration sentiment of a lot of Leave arguments.
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If the EU gave the UK a cap of like, 100k EU migrants per year or something, remain would have won
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Member Since: 4/6/2014
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Originally posted by z10
he got it at a bureau de change
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He needs to trade on Forex, exchange offices are shite for making money.
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Originally posted by Butters
Where do you learn? Online? I've always wanted to learn Russian but I feel like Spanish or German would be an easier start. I have nothing to do this summer so I might as well 
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Do it! I start on Duolingo and it's free and easy. I do a little every day, but remember that motivation is a huge part of it. I'm currently doing the German tree and it really helps with getting in some grammar and vocabulary. Of course you'll gonna need to find other learning sources online and get some real life exposure.
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Member Since: 1/1/2012
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Originally posted by GypsyLife
He needs to trade on Forex, exchange offices are shite for making money.
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i will let him know  . but like ppl saying how it really badly impacted the currency but to every day people so far its only lost him 5 euros
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Member Since: 5/8/2012
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Originally posted by z10
It depends where you live which is why this was described as a "working class revolt." Ppl in working class communities also have to deal with the negative effects of mass migration from the EU because theres less school places, longer waits for doctors appointments etc. Working class people argue that its ok for celebrities and big business backers to tell us to remain, when they're not the ones living in crowded communities with no school places (my little cousin didnt get his first 6 school choices), housing shortages, long doctor wait times. Its a fact and even Jeremy Corby who is a pacifist liberal acknowledged this.
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Thanks for the explanation, that makes sense. Does current immigration/border control allow for all refugees/immigrants to live there legally? What does the Uk control in terms of that? I tried googling but couldn't really find anything.
Why does the British government seem to have so much trouble with accommodating an influx in immigrants like Germany and the US do?
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Member Since: 4/6/2014
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Originally posted by z10
i will let him know  . but like ppl saying how it really badly impacted the currency but to every day people so far its only lost him 5 euros
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Yes but you need to look at the bigger scale of that. The money like for example our pensions are being traded on the stock market.
Obviously not into 1 fund to spread the risks but generally speaking if they put in our money which we are saving for our pensions and all of the sudden the value of our investment gets sliced in half, just "poof and gone" you can only imagine what it does to the economy.
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Originally posted by Butters
Thanks for the explanation, that makes sense. Does current immigration/border control allow for all refugees/immigrants to live there legally? What does the Uk control in terms of that? I tried googling but couldn't really find anything.
Why does the British government seem to have so much trouble with accommodating an influx in immigrants like Germany and the US do?
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I don't think there are refugees from European countries today, so regarding the Syrian refugees the UK decides how many they take, but that wasn't really the issue for people.
Basically there is a free movement of people within the European Union, its made up of 28 countries so citizens from all those countries can live and work in any other EU country without a visa, you basically just enter the country can do what you want. The UK actually has 5% unemployment which is less than the EU average, so its attractive to people wanting to work, so record numbers of migrants from the EU have been coming and each year for years now its been a record amount each year. The UK also has a very attractive benefits system which was be used if you're an EU citizen and some argue it gets mistreated by some. Anyway, regardless of motive to come to the UK, way more people have been coming that the number the government said would be a sustainable amount, and it puts pressure on space, housing, schools, the health service etc, and working class people are affected by this the most, which is why a lot of working class people voted to leave.
Like i said, its ok for celebrities and millionaire business owners to want to remain, because they benefit from the good benefits of being in the EU, but they don't have to deal with their kids not getting their first 6 school choices cause the schools are crowded, and they're so rich they have private healthcare and don't have to wait weeks for a doctors appointment like the working class do, and they don't have to worry about rising house prices because of the increased number of people because they're rich, whereas working class people can't afford the rates houses are now
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Member Since: 4/6/2014
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Originally posted by z10
I don't think there are refugees from European countries today, so regarding the Syrian refugees the UK decides how many they take, but that wasn't really the issue for people.
Basically there is a free movement of people within the European Union, its made up of 28 countries so citizens from all those countries can live and work in any other EU country without a visa, you basically just enter the country can do what you want. The UK actually has 5% unemployment which is less than the EU average, so its attractive to people wanting to work, so record numbers of migrants from the EU have been coming and each year for years now its been a record amount each year. The UK also has a very attractive benefits system which was be used if you're an EU citizen and some argue it gets mistreated by some. Anyway, regardless of motive to come to the UK, way more people have been coming that the number the government said would be a sustainable amount, and it puts pressure on space, housing, schools, the health service etc, and working class people are affected by this the most, which is why a lot of working class people voted to leave.
Like i said, its ok for celebrities and millionaire business owners to want to remain, because they benefit from the good benefits of being in the EU, but they don't have to deal with their kids not getting their first 6 school choices cause the schools are crowded, and they're so rich they have private healthcare and don't have to wait weeks for a doctors appointment like the working class do, and they don't have to worry about rising house prices because of the increased number of people because they're rich, whereas working class people can't afford the rates houses are now
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Overall, EU immigrants paid more into your enonomy through taxes then they took out in benefits.
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Originally posted by GypsyLife
Overall, EU immigrants paid more into your enonomy through taxes then they took out in benefits.
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Yeah but we're already a small island and the main downside is the pressure put on things which are limited overall like houses which put up prices to ridiculous levels, and school places, and A&E waiting times, and such. The Government can't exactly say 'we could help more but won't because we believe in small government' so the idea that it's all solely to immigration has been allowed to proliferate.
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Boris has apparently ruled out EEA/internal market if he's leader. We'll see tomorrow...
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Member Since: 1/1/2012
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Originally posted by GypsyLife
Overall, EU immigrants paid more into your enonomy through taxes then they took out in benefits.
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They did. But the problems that come with mass migration affected the working class.
Areas became crowded and people couldn't get their kids in their 1st/2nd/3rd/4th school choices and have to travel miles out of their area for schools, people can't get doctors appointments for weeks, rent is through the roof, wages go down because people from poorer countries are ok working for less money because its more than what they'd earn at home,.. these things affected the working class. When it affects them every day (as I said, even pacifist liberal Jeremy Corbyn made the link between mass uncontrolled immigration and pressure on public services), it matters more to them than an economy they don't take notice of every day.
This is the reason the middle and upper classes voted to remain, they reap the benefits of a better economy from the masses of EU workers that came to the UK, but they don't deal with the negatives mass migration brings.
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Originally posted by Diarrhoea
Yeah but we're already a small island and the main downside is the pressure put on things which are limited overall like houses which put up prices to ridiculous levels, and school places, and A&E waiting times, and such. The Government can't exactly say 'we could help more but won't because we believe in small government' so the idea that it's all solely to immigration has been allowed to proliferate.
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Well, again you got your own country/ corporations to blame for rather making profit:
Housing charity slams home builders for sitting on 600,000 plots of land
More than 600,000 new homes could be created with the land that Britain's biggest housebuilders possess – four times the total number of homes built in Britain in the past year.
The nine housebuilders in the FTSE 100 and FTSE 250 which hold 615,152 housing plots in their landbank, are also sitting on £947m of cash and declared or issued more than £1.5bn in payouts to shareholders in 2015.
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/uk-housing-...s-land-1535466
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Member Since: 11/30/2011
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Originally posted by geo
Boris has apparently ruled out EEA/internal market if he's leader. We'll see tomorrow...
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Actually, mess, he wants the internal market but also a points system. Something tells me he's gonna have to compromise...
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Member Since: 4/6/2014
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Originally posted by geo
Boris has apparently ruled out EEA/internal market if he's leader. We'll see tomorrow...
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He's really doesn't wanna take over does he lol.
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Member Since: 1/1/2012
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Originally posted by geo
Actually, mess, he wants the internal market but also a points system. Something tells me he's gonna have to compromise...
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Aren't some tories trying to block him from getting PM? I wouldn't be surprised if May gets it tbh
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Member Since: 11/30/2011
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Boris
- wants access to single market
- wants freedom of movement across Europe for Brits
- wants points system for non-Brits coming here
He's really going for it in the negotiations
He will have to back down on some things, of course.
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ATRL Contributor
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Boris being the leader would be tragic.
Really hope the party stops him.
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Member Since: 11/30/2011
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Originally posted by SorryI'mLuke
Boris being the leader would be tragic.
Really hope the party stops him.
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I still want Andrea. 
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Member Since: 6/22/2012
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Originally posted by z10
i will let him know  . but like ppl saying how it really badly impacted the currency but to every day people so far its only lost him 5 euros
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If you had £100,000 in savings 3 days ago, it was worth $147,890.
If you had £100,000 in savings today, it's now worth $134,210.
That's considerably less.
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Originally posted by geo
I still want Andrea. 
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I only want Andrea if we survive this disastrous result. If we crumble then she'll get blamed and I don't want that
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