| |
Discussion: U.S. Election 2016
Member Since: 1/1/2014
Posts: 14,321
|
Looks like Trump's new clean up act continues. He said he would not ask Sotomayor to recuse herself in immigration cases. I still remember the Senate shading ha about that some years ago
Cue more far-right meltdowns.
|
|
|
|
Member Since: 7/21/2012
Posts: 28,099
|
Quote:
Originally posted by Bloo
I think the tally so far is three? Anyone want to challenge that number?
|
It's in the dozens. And there have been many more politicians, I just don't know their names.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/...b0b489bb0c9e91
Quote:
Originally posted by RihsusChrist(ATG)
Hillary doesn't personally have a platform...what she says checks the boxes, but it's not her platform...that way she can sway in the political winds to catch whatever breeze is blowing. Elisabeth Warren has a platform, and has convictions, and sticks by them even when it's not politically convenient.
|
Her platform is that every child lives up to his or her God given potential. It's been a saying she's used since the 90s. Her record, her votes, all of her campaigns have centered around that. Ask her any question about any issue, and she'll have something to say about it and how to fix it. That's her platform.  If it's not what you want, then just say that. But don't make senseless claims.
Health care and immigration are the two biggest issues she's focused on heavily throughout the years. And she's gotten more done than Elizabeth, Bernie, and Trump combined.
|
|
|
|
Member Since: 1/1/2014
Posts: 14,321
|
The Tea Party is going to FREAK with all this pivoting 
|
|
|
|
Member Since: 7/21/2012
Posts: 28,099
|
Quote:
Originally posted by LuLuDrops
The Tea Party is going to FREAK with all this pivoting 
|
Everyone can see he's pivoting because of his new campaign manager, and dropping in the polls.
Good thing for Hillary is that she's making sure voters don't forget with her ad buys. He isn't running a single one to dispute them either.
|
|
|
|
Member Since: 8/30/2011
Posts: 22,432
|
Quote:
Originally posted by LuLuDrops
The Tea Party is going to FREAK with all this pivoting 
|
The whole wall thing is enough to keep them frothing at the mouth. I kind of want Trump to be elected just so he can fail all of his major promises. That's kind of nihilistic of me, though.
|
|
|
|
Member Since: 7/21/2012
Posts: 28,099
|
TPP opposition is not on platform draft for respect for Obama (since he's still the leader of the party). Bernie won with $15 an hour. Hillary won with keeping fracking going for the time being. They oppose the death penalty. There's more, but they aren't releasing that yet.
Bernie said he won't endorse until he knows for sure she adopts the minimum wage, free college tuition and health care for all. If they don't meet his demands when they vote on the platform draft in Florida next month, he's taking it to the convention. 
|
|
|
|
Member Since: 1/4/2014
Posts: 6,751
|
Quote:
Originally posted by Bloo
How does Hillary not have a platform? I get so confused when people make this claim because I honestly do not understand what they mean by it. If you're of that mindset, please do elaborate as to why you believe that.
|
Quote:
|
Originally posted by King Maxx
Her platform is that every child lives up to his or her God given potential. It's been a saying she's used since the 90s. Her record, her votes, all of her campaigns have centered around that. Ask her any question about any issue, and she'll have something to say about it and how to fix it. That's her platform.  If it's not what you want, then just say that. But don't make senseless claims.
Health care and immigration are the two biggest issues she's focused on heavily throughout the years. And she's gotten more done than Elizabeth, Bernie, and Trump combined.
|
Hillary's a gutless politician...and she will happily cut back on her platform if her puppet masters on wall street don't find it economically benefical to them. There is no issue she feels passionate enough about to put her political life on the line for.
|
|
|
|
Member Since: 7/21/2012
Posts: 28,099
|
There's more. We are pro-Israel, rejecting Bernie's Palestine view. We will reinstate a better version of Glass Steagall (although Hillary said she will have something better). And we will not tax carbon, again rejecting Bernie.
So we have a long way to go between today and the convention to bring unity. 
|
|
|
|
Member Since: 5/12/2012
Posts: 7,989
|
Quote:
Originally posted by RihsusChrist(ATG)
Hillary's a gutless politician...and she will happily cut back on her platform if her puppet masters on wall street don't find it economically benefical to them. There is no issue she feels passionate enough about to put her political life on the line for.
|
I was hoping to get a response with substance with evidence and receipts, rather than conspiracy-filled dribble. Hillary has the most broad in scope and deep in detail platform of any candidate on either side since the race began. If you want to make the asinine claim that she has no platform, provide detail. Pasting something that could be found in the Facebook comment section of a NowThisElection post is not going to be sufficient.
|
|
|
|
Member Since: 5/12/2012
Posts: 7,989
|
Quote:
Originally posted by King Maxx
TPP opposition is not on platform draft for respect for Obama (since he's still the leader of the party). Bernie won with $15 an hour. Hillary won with keeping fracking going for the time being. They oppose the death penalty. There's more, but they aren't releasing that yet.
Bernie said he won't endorse until he knows for sure she adopts the minimum wage, free college tuition and health care for all. If they don't meet his demands when they vote on the platform draft in Florida next month, he's taking it to the convention. 
|
I am quite frankly not supportive of a $15 minimum wage and free public tuition for all is another thing I'm not in favor of. I pray that that does not become a part of the party platform to make a practical outsider happy. 
|
|
|
|
Member Since: 5/27/2016
Posts: 4,241
|
Wait, Hillary's biggest strength is that she has a comprehensive platform moreso than any candidate who entered the race.  If you wanted to find a way to put yourself to sleep you could just go to her website and start reading policy positions. 
|
|
|
|
Member Since: 1/1/2014
Posts: 14,321
|
Quote:
Originally posted by King Maxx
TPP opposition is not on platform draft for respect for Obama (since he's still the leader of the party). Bernie won with $15 an hour. Hillary won with keeping fracking going for the time being. They oppose the death penalty. There's more, but they aren't releasing that yet.
Bernie said he won't endorse until he knows for sure she adopts the minimum wage, free college tuition and health care for all. If they don't meet his demands when they vote on the platform draft in Florida next month, he's taking it to the convention. 
|
Link to all this? 
|
|
|
|
Member Since: 10/17/2009
Posts: 5,464
|
If you genuinely think that Hillary doesn't have a comprehensive platform, then you're just simply not paying attention.
|
|
|
|
Member Since: 10/17/2009
Posts: 5,464
|
Quote:
Originally posted by RihsusChrist(ATG)
Hillary's a gutless politician...and she will happily cut back on her platform if her puppet masters on wall street don't find it economically benefical to them. There is no issue she feels passionate enough about to put her political life on the line for.
|
So much ignorance. Point to even one issue or example of her changing a stance on an issue because of Wall Street contributions... You can't. Even Bernie couldn't.
|
|
|
|
Member Since: 7/21/2012
Posts: 28,099
|
Quote:
Originally posted by Bloo
I am quite frankly not supportive of a $15 minimum wage and free public tuition for all is another thing I'm not in favor of. I pray that that does not become a part of the party platform to make a practical outsider happy. 
|
Me either. The thing is that Hillary doesn't have to push these policies. As she did in her recent speech, she is still advocating for debt free college, is against TPP, and will probably continue her "$12, but go higher if you can" policy. The thing is that she may lose some progressives, especially when it comes to fracking, but oh well. Better to stay as close to the center as she can. Don't go to far to the left on us, Hill.
But they aren't finishing finalizing everything. The campaigns are still trying to compromise.
Quote:
Originally posted by LuLuDrops
Link to all this? 
|
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/democrat...ng-trade-deal/
http://stlouis.cbslocal.com/2016/06/...-policy-draft/
|
|
|
|
Member Since: 10/17/2009
Posts: 5,464
|
And she's going to introduce and push a comprehensive immigration reform bill, with a path to citizenship, within her first 100 days in office. If that's not putting anything on the line, I don't know what is.
Quote:
Originally posted by Bloo
I was hoping to get a response with substance with evidence and receipts, rather than conspiracy-filled dribble. Hillary has the most broad in scope and deep in detail platform of any candidate on either side since the race began. If you want to make the asinine claim that she has no platform, provide detail. Pasting something that could be found in the Facebook comment section of a NowThisElection post is not going to be sufficient.
|
And I completely agree with being against a nationwide $15 minimum wage. Hillary's stance is perfect on this issue, we should push it to $12 nationwide, and up to $15 in cities like NYC and San Francisco where the cost of living is higher. $15 nationwide just doesn't make sense in rural places or smaller cities.
|
|
|
|
Member Since: 10/17/2009
Posts: 5,464
|
Quote:
Originally posted by King Maxx
There's more. We are pro-Israel, rejecting Bernie's Palestine view. We will reinstate a better version of Glass Steagall (although Hillary said she will have something better). And we will not tax carbon, again rejecting Bernie.
So we have a long way to go between today and the convention to bring unity. 
|
I agree with most of the changes to the platform, but I'm very disappointed that taxing carbon got rejected, that should absolutely be in the party platform.
|
|
|
|
Member Since: 5/12/2012
Posts: 7,989
|
Quote:
Originally posted by King Maxx
Me either. The thing is that Hillary doesn't have to push these policies. As she did in her recent speech, she is still advocating for debt free college, is against TPP, and will probably continue her "$12, but go higher if you can" policy. The thing is that she may lose some progressives, especially when it comes to fracking, but oh well. Better to stay as close to the center as she can. Don't go to far to the left on us, Hill.
But they aren't finishing finalizing everything. The campaigns are still trying to compromise.
|
The good thing about her not caving into Bernie's requests is that she's more likely to pull in Republican voters and she's doing a good job of that now. I know tons of Republicans that are likely going to vote for her (and if not her, Gary Johnson) because they feel safe with her being president as opposed to Trump.
|
|
|
|
Member Since: 3/5/2011
Posts: 15,589
|
Quote:
Originally posted by Bloo
How does Hillary not have a platform? I get so confused when people make this claim because I honestly do not understand what they mean by it. If you're of that mindset, please do elaborate as to why you believe that.
|
She doesn't have a major issue that defines her campaign. Trump's is immigration, Bernie's was Wall St/Free college. (#ImWithHer is a terrible slogan as well)
And the little tidbits of "small, incremental policy changes" that she does have are dull and/or uninspiring.
|
|
|
|
Member Since: 1/4/2014
Posts: 6,751
|
Quote:
Originally posted by ShineOverShadow
So much ignorance. Point to even one issue or example of her changing a stance on an issue because of Wall Street contributions... You can't. Even Bernie couldn't.
|
http://futurefemaleleader.com/clinto...ing-positions/
Read em and weep, sis ^
|
|
|
|
|
|