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Discussion: Why is Joni Mitchell so forgotten?
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"[...]she wished she had every kind of heritage, "Then I could tell everyone off and not be a bigot." But lest she be labeled a racist, she added, "When I see black men sitting, I have a tendency to go — like I nod like I'm a brother. I really feel an affinity because I have experienced being a black guy on several occasions." The latter comment was in reference to the cover."
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Great musician who's music overshadows her true problematic colors, that which are so much easier to brush under the rug tbh

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Blue is still inspiring modern artists with people citing her influence on them 4 decades after its release. 
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Idk I had never heard of her before I joined ATRL, I knew Stevie Nicks, Donna Summer and Kate Bush tho.
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Originally posted by Cap10Planet
Forget your "everyday experience and observations," which are essentially anecdotes that cannot and will not be proven.
And you're here most of the time, so where's the logic?
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Originally posted by Cap10Planet
Forget your "everyday experience and observations," which are essentially anecdotes that cannot and will not be proven.
And you're here most of the time, so where's the logic?
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This is a ki but a tad ironic coming from someone with 79K posts 
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OT:Yes she is.
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I was in A.C. Moore the other day and they played her.
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Cause she is not as iconic as her peers: Stevie Nicks, Carly Simon, Carole King...ect.
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I wouldn't say she's forgotten, but her legacy isn't well maintained. Rhino did release an incredible box set last year which Joni herself curated - it's a four-disc musical story and it mixes well known songs with more obscure ones and latter-day recordings. It's a great set for deep fans, but I reckon there should be a great big box set of all her remastered albums, along with a two-disc "hits" record for casual listeners. There's no one compilation you can go to that properly begins to sum her up, as if one ever could.
Joni wasn't always treated with the respect and reverence she deserved at the height of her popularity, and she continues to bristle at that to this day. She's often presented in sound-byte one-liners in interview headlines that don't cast her in a sympathetic light, calling out other artists, the music industry, etc. The media has its place in diminishing her stature - she isn't afforded the mantle of 'endearing outspokenness' that other (male) geniuses are. Rather she's painted as a bit of a bitter woman who hasn't made a good album in 40 years and as a crackpot who complains about a disease that is highly controversial in the medical community.
All of this unfortunately makes her "not worth it" to people, plus her being a woman in a culture that's more and more obsessed with now, today, tomorrow, etc. It's another situation where the artist's brilliance and stature will be acknowledged when the artist is dead.
That being said, Joni will always be relevant. Any time a female artist writes a song that bares her soul, Joni Mitchell is relevant.
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Originally posted by Cap10Planet
"Both Sides Now" is pretty much better than anything Lana could ever come up with.
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Why was this warned? 
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Quote:
Originally posted by Cap10Planet
Forget your "everyday experience and observations," which are essentially anecdotes that cannot and will not be proven.
And you're here most of the time, so where's the logic?
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    :jonn y:
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Originally posted by RihsusChrist(ATG)
Cause she is not as iconic as her peers: Stevie Nicks, Carly Simon, Carole King...ect.
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I disagree, she's MORE iconic than all of them, she defines '70s female singer-songwriter. She's just significantly less successful. Largely because she did not want to be.
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She's not forgotten (especially not by people in the industry), but I feel like her reclusiveness contributes to it quite a bit. It's hard to connect with a new generation of listeners if you never leave your house. Plus there's all of what humoresque said above.
On top of that, I don't think that she was ever really a commercial blockbuster, which shouldn't matter but kinda does.
I do hear her on 70s folk rock radio more than just about any other female artist (along with King and Nicks).
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Originally posted by daking17
This is a ki but a tad ironic coming from someone with 79K posts 
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I'm not the one who brought up "everyday experiences and observations." That's the ironic part.
You always stick your nose in something that has nothing to do with you. Worry about why Usher is the TRULY forgotten one after all these years. And yes, I have a Janet avi on, too.
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Quote:
Originally posted by Cap10Planet
I'm not the one who brought up "everyday experiences and observations." That's the ironic part.
You always stick your nose in something that has nothing to do with you. Worry about why Usher is the TRULY forgotten one after all these years. And yes, I have a Janet avi on, too.
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The anger. This is what happens when you don't go outside (and therefore can't have those everyday experiences I was talking about)
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I had never heard of this name until some days ago when someone was speaking of her in SYG
Cap10 is still a lil bit grumpy I see
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See you try and make it seem as if Joni has no visibility at all which is simply not true. I'm sorry she's sickly and old right now and can't be in the scene but designers use her, her music is huge on streaming(comparatively), she is referenced often and has had an influence on pretty much all major female songwriters which no one else can claim.
In closing I'm sorry you don't get it honestly everyone deserves a chance to love and appreciate Joni's magnificent music.
Keep trying it will click. I feel like you've referenced her on here more than you've ever listened to her music which is uncalled for.
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Member Since: 6/30/2011
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Quote:
Originally posted by Cap10Planet
Forget your "everyday experience and observations," which are essentially anecdotes that cannot and will not be proven.
And you're here most of the time, so where's the logic?
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Right. 
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You know, compared to her peers, she's a bit above some, but below others. I say she's fairly remembered
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Originally posted by eli's_rhythm
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Because the question is why Joni is forgotten, not if Lana acclaimed+platinum albums are better than Joni's albums.
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