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News: Shooter was regular at Pulse, used gay dating app - report
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Originally posted by ABEL-o-matic
It's a generation disconnect, I'm suggesting. I am assuming you two are around 18-21 years old? Guys at your generation don't have compelling reasons to be shameful of your own self, because you grew up when LGBT rights are now at the stage where it is normalized into Western society. Coming out in your time is no longer seen as taboo.
I grew up, and the shooter in a time before this normalization was taking place, and coming out was a right of passage that takes a lot of guts to do, and is seen as coming of age kind of thing in the context of "whatever you are, we support you". During this time, being gay was different, so there was reason for people of our generation to feel shame, even to this day. It's because we grew up in the time where the "fight" for our rights were just starting.
And even if in today's world, we still feel bit of shame to come out, because of the culture we grew up in years ago, whereas in your time, no one needs to come out anymore because they no longer feel differentiated from society. Amazingly enough, you guys start to view coming out as tacky because people are milking their story for their worth.
So it's definitely a generation disconnect more than anything.
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This is super profound and quite accurate.
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Originally posted by NotTonightTho
Mess @ the blatant denial in this thread. He investigated a small club with minimal security for three years? Really? All while having a profile on three different dating sites? Everyone around him besides his father is either claiming he was gay, hinting he was gay or just playing ****ing stupid. It sucks that this may be used to push an agenda against homosexuals but that doesn't make anything here not fact. It's still a hate crime, gay or not.
Btw he was known to have pledged allegiance to the Taliban as well as several organizations that directly conflicted with some of ISIS' views. In my opinion he was just an extremely confused man whose hard religious upbringing (his father is a taliban supporter) created massive amounts of self hatred. It speaks to how harmful radical religions can be to a person's psyche, but I don't really think you can blame this whole incident on religion, it's more complex than that. I understand having anger towards this awful situation but you shouldn't let this cloud your judgment towards an entire religion, and this is coming from an atheist.
And the poster demonizing all straight people is literally disgusting. Hatred really does breed more hatred. |
Came to say this basically. The FACT that this Omar was a closet gay OR BISEXUAL (the bisexual erasure is real) is a VERY plausible possibility and explanation for his behavior given what we know about him.
I don't know why some people are finding it so hard to believe that any person (gay or bi) with extreme self hate (in addition to a mental illness) could easily be lead to commit such an atrocity. Like be objective for a minute for god's sake
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And the poster demonizing all straight people is literally disgusting. Hatred really does breed more hatred. |
Oh please. Heterosexual people are not these cute ponies.
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Originally posted by NotTonightTho
Mess @ the blatant denial in this thread. He investigated a small club with minimal security for three years? Really? All while having a profile on three different dating sites? Everyone around him besides his father is either claiming he was gay, hinting he was gay or just playing ****ing stupid. It sucks that this may be used to push an agenda against homosexuals but that doesn't make anything here not fact. It's still a hate crime, gay or not.
Btw he was known to have pledged allegiance to the Taliban as well as several organizations that directly conflicted with some of ISIS' views. In my opinion he was just an extremely confused man whose hard religious upbringing (his father is a taliban supporter) created massive amounts of self hatred. It speaks to how harmful radical religions can be to a person's psyche, but I don't really think you can blame this whole incident on religion, it's more complex than that. I understand having anger towards this awful situation but you shouldn't let this cloud your judgment towards an entire religion, and this is coming from an atheist.
And the poster demonizing all straight people is literally disgusting. Hatred really does breed more hatred. |
This is tea. Why does this have a warning? 
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Originally posted by NotTonightTho
Mess @ the blatant denial in this thread. He investigated a small club with minimal security for three years? Really? All while having a profile on three different dating sites? Everyone around him besides his father is either claiming he was gay, hinting he was gay or just playing ****ing stupid. It sucks that this may be used to push an agenda against homosexuals but that doesn't make anything here not fact. It's still a hate crime, gay or not.
Btw he was known to have pledged allegiance to the Taliban as well as several organizations that directly conflicted with some of ISIS' views. In my opinion he was just an extremely confused man whose hard religious upbringing (his father is a taliban supporter) created massive amounts of self hatred. It speaks to how harmful radical religions can be to a person's psyche, but I don't really think you can blame this whole incident on religion, it's more complex than that. I understand having anger towards this awful situation but you shouldn't let this cloud your judgment towards an entire religion, and this is coming from an atheist.
And the poster demonizing all straight people is literally disgusting. Hatred really does breed more hatred. |
Why is this post warned? This forum... 
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Originally posted by Jay Fenty
NO HE WASNT, he was a random psycho who unleashed his hatred on a targeted and innocent group of people. Stop posting lies that make him seem like a gay man in denial, this event is an attack on LGBT people by a deranged straight person. Heteros are a threat to this society
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^This
He wanted to cause a huge chaos in a beloved place by the LGBT. And the fact he specifically targeted Latino night. There's no other reason to excuse his disgusting behaviour. He wasn't self-hating, he was a homophobe doing research and he strongly hated gay people. He is possibly anti-Latino too. Piece of ****
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Originally posted by Jay Fenty
NO HE WASNT, he was a random psycho who unleashed his hatred on a targeted and innocent group of people. Stop posting lies that make him seem like a gay man in denial, this event is an attack on LGBT people by a deranged straight person. Heteros are a threat to this society
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This.
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Originally posted by Reinvention
This is tea. Why does this have a warning? |
my evaluation of the situation is apparently worse than the posters in this thread hatefully generalizing straight and Muslim people. idc though that's why I stopped using this site in the first place. if a mod doesn't agree with you you're "insensitive."
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Originally posted by NotTonightTho
Mess @ the blatant denial in this thread. He investigated a small club with minimal security for three years? Really? All while having a profile on three different dating sites? Everyone around him besides his father is either claiming he was gay, hinting he was gay or just playing ****ing stupid. It sucks that this may be used to push an agenda against homosexuals but that doesn't make anything here not fact. It's still a hate crime, gay or not.
Btw he was known to have pledged allegiance to the Taliban as well as several organizations that directly conflicted with some of ISIS' views. In my opinion he was just an extremely confused man whose hard religious upbringing (his father is a taliban supporter) created massive amounts of self hatred. It speaks to how harmful radical religions can be to a person's psyche, but I don't really think you can blame this whole incident on religion, it's more complex than that. I understand having anger towards this awful situation but you shouldn't let this cloud your judgment towards an entire religion, and this is coming from an atheist.
And the poster demonizing all straight people is literally disgusting. Hatred really does breed more hatred. |
and that's that truth tea, folks!
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I think both arguments are right. He was a hateful man who targeted LGBT, But you can't dismiss something that could have been his motive. It doesn't make him any less evil. It doesn't humanize him. But trying to understand his motive and personal issues is something that could prevent this happening again. Him hating the LGBT - could have been him hating himself.
Sometimes you have to dismiss your feelings on a situation to see things a little clearly. After all that's come out about him; and the fact it's common that homophobes have repressed homosexual desire, i do think he was conflicted in sexuality. That doesn't make him any less guilty, i still loathe his soul and hope he rots. But it does say something about the lengths people will go to suppress themselves - because of society. That inner conflict is what breeds hatred. Throw that in with his religious views and boom.
This kind of reminds of Colin Ireland aka The Gay Slayer, who pretended to be gay to lure men and kill them. Lots of things about him being closeted came out, but it was rejected on ground that he was just a psychopath.
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They should get his records to see if the hasn't killed anyone else before the mass shooting 
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