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News: Clinton Wins Nomination
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Originally posted by deadautumncrow
So many uneducated voters on atrl... The media is including potential super delegates (which, legally, aren't counted until July 25th) to discourage Bernie supporters. This shows how corrupt the American media is. It's still an extremely tight race and the media is doing whatever they can to help Hillary clench the nomination.
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And yet last I checked Hillary has over 3 million more popular votes then Bernie Sanders...
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The superdelegates are not going to change their support girls.
It is over.
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Originally posted by deadautumncrow
So many uneducated voters on atrl... The media is including potential super delegates (which, legally, aren't counted until July 25th) to discourage Bernie supporters. This shows how corrupt the American media is. It's still an extremely tight race and the media is doing whatever they can to help Hillary clench the nomination.
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The irony... 
The whole "super delegates don't count" argument was perfectly legitimate early on in the primary season. It is no longer legitimate. With Hillary having a 3 million popular vote lead, and a nearly 300 pledged delegate (which are extremely large leads in a proportional competition), super delegates are now going to matter. And, quite frankly, Hillary's massive lead should mean she wins the nomination. Super delegates should not go against that large of a margin, and they aren't going to given they prefer the actual Democrat and not the Independent using the party to stand a chance of getting the candidacy despite suing the party and calling them corrupt throughout.
To Bernie and those still grieving over his loss...
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Originally posted by deadautumncrow
So many uneducated voters on atrl... The media is including potential super delegates (which, legally, aren't counted until July 25th) to discourage Bernie supporters. This shows how corrupt the American media is. It's still an extremely tight race and the media is doing whatever they can to help Hillary clench the nomination.
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Superdelegates are still delegates and they count. Regardless of when they "officially"count votes, are you going to tell me that a Superdelegate who they themselves have proclaimed early on who they will support suddenly will change their mind this late in election? The only supers changing their minds are Bernie's.
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I thought she got it weeks ago, tbh.
Not a (h)uuuuuge fan of hers, but she sure as hell is better than Trump - don't **** it up, US sistrens!
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Originally posted by Faruhs
So many people on ATRL would probably want Lady Gaga as president, and if she'd clinch the nomination, they'd all go like YASSS QUEEN FIRST FEMALE YASSSS. Then again, she and her BTW foundation I won't go into details.
Hillary has experience, and yes, the fact that she's a woman helps. It also helped Obama that he's Afro-American. What helps Trump? His wig? His idiocy? The idiots that support him, probably. I can't believe some of y'all would prefer Trump over Hillary. Love yourselves. Learn history of the U.S. If you have common sense and you realize how politics work, you'd know that everybody lies to a certain extent and that every single person in this world can change their points of view just like Hillary did with homosexuality, as a gay man, I'm happy that someone as bright as her did not stay intolerant and homophobic. If you support Trump, I see you on the bleachers with those idiots clapping after every single inhuman thing he says. |
The random ass Gaga reference.
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Originally posted by Bloo
The irony...
The whole "super delegates don't count" argument was perfectly legitimate early on in the primary season. It is no longer legitimate. With Hillary having a 3 million popular vote lead, and a nearly 300 pledged delegate (which are extremely large leads in a proportional competition), super delegates are now going to matter. And, quite frankly, Hillary's massive lead should mean she wins the nomination. Super delegates should not go against that large of a margin, and they aren't going to given they prefer the actual Democrat and not the Independent using the party to stand a chance of getting the candidacy despite suing the party and calling them corrupt throughout.
To Bernie and those still grieving over his loss...
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Thank you sis.
Could not have said it better.
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OMG if these people represent the gay community's voters please stay home. You're making a fool out of us. Currently Hillary has 1812 delegates while Bernie has 1521. Neither of them will reach that magic number by the end so SUPER DELEGATES will be needed for either of them to clench the nom. Superdelegates aren't even counted until mid July where they're decided by the democratic national convention. Hillary could possibly be looking at inditement charges as well so the DNC will have to make a tough decision: go with their friend, Hillary who the mainstream public doesn't like but is "in cahoots" with the DNC... or go with Bernie who's statistically more electable and has the independents on his side. and with all the #BernieOrBusts it'll be a touch decision for the DNC. Please don't talk about politics unless you know what you're talking about. Reading this site is embarrassing. All these white gays thinking they know politics. Just stop 
And if y'all are uneducated and believe it's over and that she's won then please stay home from voting because yes, "she won" ( :
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Originally posted by deadautumncrow
OMG if these people represent the gay community's voters please stay home. You're making a fool out of us. Currently Hillary has 1812 delegates while Bernie has 1521. Neither of them will reach that magic number by the end so SUPER DELEGATES will be needed for either of them to clench the nom. Superdelegates aren't even counted until mid July where they're decided by the democratic national convention. Hillary could possibly be looking at inditement charges as well so the DNC will have to make a tough decision: go with their friend, Hillary who the mainstream public doesn't like but is "in cahoots" with the DNC... or go with Bernie who's statistically more electable and has the independents on his side. and with all the #BernieOrBusts it'll be a touch decision for the DNC. Please don't talk about politics unless you know what you're talking about. Reading this site is embarrassing. All these white gays thinking they know politics. Just stop
And if y'all are uneducated and believe it's over and that she's won then please stay home from voting because yes, "she won" ( : |
How is he more statistically electable? Because polls? Shouldn't he be more electable because he won the popular vote? He's losing by 3 million.
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Originally posted by deadautumncrow
OMG if these people represent the gay community's voters please stay home. You're making a fool out of us. Currently Hillary has 1812 delegates while Bernie has 1521. Neither of them will reach that magic number by the end so SUPER DELEGATES will be needed for either of them to clench the nom. Superdelegates aren't even counted until mid July where they're decided by the democratic national convention. Hillary could possibly be looking at inditement charges as well so the DNC will have to make a tough decision: go with their friend, Hillary who the mainstream public doesn't like but is "in cahoots" with the DNC... or go with Bernie who's statistically more electable and has the independents on his side. and with all the #BernieOrBusts it'll be a touch decision for the DNC. Please don't talk about politics unless you know what you're talking about. Reading this site is embarrassing. All these white gays thinking they know politics. Just stop
And if y'all are uneducated and believe it's over and that she's won then please stay home from voting because yes, "she won" ( : |
Okay the media is rigged, the super delegates will suddenly change to Bernie, Hillary will go to jail, and Bernie will become the next president. Lets not forget the DNC is corrupt and the public will be the reason he gets the vote. As well as everyone on ATRL is dumb and the media is flat wrong.
Whatever you say...
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Originally posted by deadautumncrow
OMG if these people represent the gay community's voters please stay home. You're making a fool out of us. Currently Hillary has 1812 delegates while Bernie has 1521. Neither of them will reach that magic number by the end so SUPER DELEGATES will be needed for either of them to clench the nom. Superdelegates aren't even counted until mid July where they're decided by the democratic national convention. Hillary could possibly be looking at inditement charges as well so the DNC will have to make a tough decision: go with their friend, Hillary who the mainstream public doesn't like but is "in cahoots" with the DNC... or go with Bernie who's statistically more electable and has the independents on his side. and with all the #BernieOrBusts it'll be a touch decision for the DNC. Please don't talk about politics unless you know what you're talking about. Reading this site is embarrassing. All these white gays thinking they know politics. Just stop
And if y'all are uneducated and believe it's over and that she's won then please stay home from voting because yes, "she won" ( : |
Bernie is NOT statistically more electable. Okay, let's talk about this absolute ******** assertion by the Bernie camp that those GE polls are statistically verifiable. If you know ANYTHING about statistics, then you'd know you need solid, objective variables in order to actually make a verifiable statistical model. The issue is that this far out, you cannot get those variables for an election MONTHS away. Anything could change. Anything. So, you can't include every possible variable into consideration when trying to make a model for the GE. Also, those polls are THEORETICAL. They are not proving anything. Further, the methodology to gather that data is extremely faulty. Landline phone calls is simply not as strong of a measure anymore. Anyway, I could go into a long rant about this entire GE polls argument, but even statisticians like Nate Silver have spoken strongly against them, but I doubt it will change your mind. So, Bernie is NOT statistically more likely than Hillary to win. He (the untouched, unvetted saint of the race) just polls better than Hillary (the most vetted candidate in modern political history) in polling with poor methodology.
TLDR; Actually predictive models for the GE this far out cannot be made.
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Originally posted by Ibrahim
How is he more statistically electable? Because polls? Shouldn't he be more electable because he won the popular vote? He's losing by 3 million.
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Polls have continuously shown that Bernie wins vs Trump BY A LANDSLIDE compared to Hillary who could potentially lose to Trump. Why do you think Hillary keeps campaigning so hard against Trump rn? Plus the independents are all for Bernie. She ****ed herself over refusing to debate Bernie.
If she was smart she would be pandering to the Sanders supporters and telling them that if she wins the vote they should switch to her because she appreciates them and cares etc bs bs bs just to get people on her side. Instead she has consistently ignored the Sanders supporters causing the #BernieOrBust to grow stronger.
Remember it's still 1,812 to 1,521. Why do you think the media published that "she won" the night before the BIGGEST primary? (California giving 400+ delegates.)
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Originally posted by Bloo
TLDR; Actually predictive models for the GE this far out cannot be made.
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Yet Super Delegates can? When the DNC specifically says not to count them until July 25th? 
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Originally posted by deadautumncrow
Polls have continuously shown that Bernie wins vs Trump BY A LANDSLIDE compared to Hillary who could potentially lose to Trump. Why do you think Hillary keeps campaigning so hard against Trump rn? Plus the independents are all for Bernie. She ****ed herself over refusing to debate Bernie.
If she was smart she would be pandering to the Sanders supporters and telling them that if she wins the vote they should switch to her because she appreciates them and cares etc bs bs bs just to get people on her side. Instead she has consistently ignored the Sanders supporters causing the #BernieOrBust to grow stronger.
Remember it's still 1,812 to 1,521. Why do you think the media published that "she won" the night before the BIGGEST primary? (California giving 400+ delegates.)
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We have gone over this. GE polls do not matter. And to the bold, Independents have been flocking to Trump throughout the primary on the Republican side as well. Independents are not a coherent group with the same political beliefs. That's the entire point. The idea that Bernie was winning all the independents and that all the independents will just sit out is a completely asinine statement. But, since you love polls so much, one poll found that 75% of Bernie's supporters would vote for Hillary in November if she secured the nomination. In 2008, only 60% of Hillary's supporters said the same of Obama.
Give it a break. Bernie lost. Move on.
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Originally posted by deadautumncrow
Polls have continuously shown that Bernie wins vs Trump BY A LANDSLIDE compared to Hillary who could potentially lose to Trump. Why do you think Hillary keeps campaigning so hard against Trump rn? Plus the independents are all for Bernie. She ****ed herself over refusing to debate Bernie.
If she was smart she would be pandering to the Sanders supporters and telling them that if she wins the vote they should switch to her because she appreciates them and cares etc bs bs bs just to get people on her side. Instead she has consistently ignored the Sanders supporters causing the #BernieOrBust to grow stronger.
Remember it's still 1,812 to 1,521. Why do you think the media published that "she won" the night before the BIGGEST primary? (California giving 400+ delegates.)
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1) He hasn't been attacked yet aggressively like her. He's a risk because if he's attacked and his poll numbers TANK we are done for because he won't beat Trump. We can't take that risk
2) He couldn't even beat Hillary who is apparently potentially losing to Trump. How the hell would he beat Trump?
3) The independents in the primary are in no way representative of the independents in the general. In fact you don't even need them to win
4) she is not going to pander to anybody that's not her way of doing things
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Originally posted by deadautumncrow
Yet Super Delegates can? When the DNC specifically says not to count them until July 25th? |
The super delegates can what? I said that the GE cannot be statistically predicted this far out. What the hell does that have to do with super delegates? They're free to support whoever they want. While, it may be true that they don't officially vote until July. Why would it change he being called the "presumptive" nominee when 571 super delegates have voiced that they're backing her and not Sanders. Based on that information, we can presume she'll be the nominee. I don't see what's so hard to get about that. She's not the official nominee until July. That was never going to change, but presumptively (using basic math), we can assume she'll be the nominee.
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Why do superdelegates even exist anyway. I feel like the presidental race is being rigged for Hillary.
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Originally posted by deadautumncrow
So many uneducated voters on atrl... The media is including potential super delegates (which, legally, aren't counted until July 25th) to discourage Bernie supporters. This shows how corrupt the American media is. It's still an extremely tight race and the media is doing whatever they can to help Hillary clench the nomination.
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Okay let's pretend the Superdelegates suddenly disappeared. What your excuse now?
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