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News: Clinton Wins Nomination
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Originally posted by DWG
Hillary voted for the Iraq War; Bernie voted against the Iraq War and had this to say:
Hillary is not a progressive; Bernie is a progressive.
Bernie supported LGBTQ rights long before Hillary.
If I were an American, I would vote for Bernie Sanders; but if he were not on the ticket in November, I would vote for Jill Stein over Hillary Clinton. |
The Iraq War vote is not everything. In multiple other cases, including the early 2000's, Bernie advocated for interventionist legislation or supported Israel as it committed questionable military acts.
Hillary is a progressive, this is not arguable, and it is not defined by one vote.
Hillary has supported LGBT individuals for over 15 years. Marriage as a label is what she's supported for 3.
Voting Jill Stein honestly just helps Trump in the end.
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Excellent! I hope Bernie urges his supporters to vote for Hillary.
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Welp this secures Trump's spot in the White House
*starts looking for houses in Canada*
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Originally posted by NE.
Spill that ****.
My Black ass is not falling for her lies and pandering.
Trump may be a bigot, but at least he doesn't lie about it. We know who he is. |
OK, NE., you know I love you, but there's no place for a black person in a Trump world. Trust me on this. I figured that out a while back, you will too.
His supporters don't want us anywhere near that campaign either, don't be fooled. they're "taking their country back."
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Originally posted by Retro
I dispute the language of "contested convention." It can't in actuality be "contested" - with two candidates in the race, there will be one winner on the first ballot.
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My point is she hasn't technically cinched the nomination, and I simply don't see Bernie conceding.
This race will finish on the 27th of July, and no sooner
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Originally posted by Emir
My point is she hasn't technically cinched the nomination, and I simply don't see Bernie conceding.
This race will finish on the 27th of July, and no sooner
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Rumor is that he is conceding Friday; regardless, tomorrow will definitively prove her victory according to every conceivable narrative, supers will not switch, and later this week Obama himself will affirm all of this.
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Originally posted by Retro
The Iraq War vote is not anything. In multiple other cases, including the early 2000's, Bernie advocated for interventionist legislation or supported Israel as it committed questionable military acts.
Hillary is a progressive, this is not arguable, and it is not defined by one vote.
Hillary has supported LGBT individuals for over 15 years. Marriage as a label is what she's supported for 3.
Voting Jill Stein honestly just helps Trump in the end.
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In order for me to respond to your first point, you would have to explain it to me in more detail.
I did not base my statement solely on the Iraq War vote. Hillary has called herself progressive AND moderate/centre. Watch Hillary move to the centre to appeal to Republican voters, if she is indeed the Democratic Nominee.
Bernie has supported LGBTQ individuals since the 1980s, so I applaud Hillary for coming around over the years.
I encourage people to vote for the candidate who best represents their values and beliefs, not the candidate who is the lesser of two evils.
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#BernExtinguished #ApplyOintmnetToThatBern
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Originally posted by Retro
Rumor is that he is conceding Friday; regardless, tomorrow will definitively prove her victory according to every conceivable narrative, supers will not switch, and later this week Obama himself will affirm all of this.
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I'll believe it when I see it.
Bernie knows he won't win - his goal for some time now has been to make it to the convention so as to have his policies adopted into the party platform.
For that reason alone, I hope he decides not to concede.
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Originally posted by Retro
Rumor is that he is conceding Friday; regardless, tomorrow will definitively prove her victory according to every conceivable narrative, supers will not switch, and later this week Obama himself will affirm all of this.
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Of course the superdelegates won't switch -- Hillary has them all in her back pocket!
Also, Hillary did not concede to Obama in 2008, so do not expect Bernie to concede in 2016. 
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Originally posted by DWG
In order for me to respond to your first point, you would have to explain it to me in more detail.
I did not base my statement solely on the Iraq War vote. Hillary has called herself progressive AND moderate/centre. Watch Hillary move to the centre to appeal to Republican voters, if she is indeed the Democratic Nominee.
Bernie has supported LGBTQ individuals since the 1980s, so I applaud Hillary for coming around over the years.
I encourage people to vote for the candidate who best represents their values and beliefs, not the candidate who is the lesser of two evils.
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She will remain Democratic and progressive as she has for her whole career.
I take extreme issue with you portraying her as "coming around" when there has been no documented instance of anything anti-LGBT from her.
If you're talking in November, the reality is that most people alight with one of the two major nominees and as such it is effectively a choice between those two. It's about more than just which candidate most aligns with one's beliefs.
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Originally posted by Emir
I'll believe it when I see it.
Bernie knows he won't win - his goal for some time now has been to make it to the convention so as to have his policies adopted into the party platform.
For that reason alone, I hope he decides not to concede.
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I don't think it helps Bernie or the party to put off his concession.
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Originally posted by Damien M
OK, NE., you know I love you, but there's no place for a black person in a Trump world. Trust me on this. I figured that out a while back, you will too.
His supporters don't want us anywhere near that campaign either, don't be fooled. they're "taking their country back."
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I was sure we were on same page, but OK. I don't even know I'll be voting, I have my hang-ups with Trump, but Hillary has so much water under the bridge. I just can't trust her as President.
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Originally posted by DWG
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This is factually incorrect. Hillary publicly conceded just three days after the news reports that Obama clinched the nomination. She endorsed him in the same speech. She then personally stopped the roll call at the DNC to nominate Obama officially.
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Originally posted by DWG
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You don't pay attention to politics, do you? This is all wrong.
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It was a historic night and tomorrow will be even better.
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Originally posted by Gagamon
Nooo
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SEETHE 
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The Bern has been Hillarized
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Originally posted by Retro
This is factually incorrect. Hillary publicly conceded just three days after the news reports that Obama clinched the nomination. She endorsed him in the same speech. She then personally stopped the roll call at the DNC to nominate Obama officially.
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Clocked! You're a Hillary staffer for a reason.
However, despite my mistake, I do not expect Bernie to concede to Hillary anytime soon.
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It makes me both sad and mad that the system is rigged in Hillary's favour. 
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