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News: Germany recognizes the Armenian genocide
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Originally posted by zeddga
Well, I was born, raised and live in Germany, but my roots are Turkish + I did a research on this in History class before, so I might help you with this. What happened back in 1915 was a genocide, no question. But Turkey won't accept it nor do Turkish people talk about it. I remember that a Turkish historian was killed in the 00s, when he called it a genocide. This topic is a no-go in Turkey, you simply do not talk about it, let alone accepting this tragedy as a genocide. If you do that, most of them will call you a traitor to the nation. They do accept that they killed these people, but with the justification, that they did not intend killing them. They claim that they had to export them from their territories, because they were a threat to the nation, when they sought help from Russia. In order to prevent Russia from being a threat to the Ottoman Empire, they had to export them. During the export, they "accidentally" died, which is definitely not true. They say that they starved or had diseases etc., but there are pictures of Turkish troops being violent to them and even killing them.
They also lie about the number of victims. 
I really hope that Turkey can accept this as a genocide one day, so we can finally process history. |
This. I could be arrested for the things I previously said here. 
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Originally posted by zeddga
Well, I was born, raised and live in Germany, but my roots are Turkish + I did a research on this in History class before, so I might help you with this. What happened back in 1915 was a genocide, no question. But Turkey won't accept it nor do Turkish people talk about it. I remember that a Turkish historian was killed in the 00s, when he called it a genocide. This topic is a no-go in Turkey, you simply do not talk about it, let alone accepting this tragedy as a genocide. If you do that, most of them will call you a traitor to the nation. They do accept that they killed these people, but with the justification, that they did not intend killing them. They claim that they had to export them from their territories, because they were a threat to the nation, when they sought help from Russia. In order to prevent Russia from being a threat to the Ottoman Empire, they had to export them. During the export, they "accidentally" died, which is definitely not true. They say that they starved or had diseases etc., but there are pictures of Turkish troops being violent to them and even killing them.
They also lie about the number of victims.
I really hope that Turkey can accept this as a genocide one day, so we can finally process history. |
Thank you for this informative post. My knowledge of the genocide is basic, but woah - as you say, there are pictures. I wouldn't recommend to anyone sensitive but they are there, on google.
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Good 
ps. I'm Turkish
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I'm so glad Germany has done this! Crimes against humanity should never be ignored, and the Armenian genocide is one that not many people know about. Hopefully the U.S. will someday admit that the Native American purge was indeed a genocide 
And wasn't Miss Turkey arrested for a comment she made online about Erdogan? Stay safe Turkish sistrens 
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Originally posted by WFL
This. I could be arrested for the things I previously said here. |
No lol Orhan Pamuk is perfectly fine with his Nobel Prize and astronomic book sales
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Originally posted by Kayhan
No lol Orhan Pamuk is perfectly fine with his Nobel Prize and astronomic book sales
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I looked him up... He was saved from prosecution on a technicality. He was looking at six months to three years in jail for saying:
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"Thirty thousand Kurds have been killed here, and a million Armenians. And almost nobody dares to mention that. So I do."
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 This mess happened while the EU was looking at Turkish justice as a stumbling block in the way of it joining the EU.
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Originally posted by zeddga
Well, I was born, raised and live in Germany, but my roots are Turkish + I did a research on this in History class before, so I might help you with this. What happened back in 1915 was a genocide, no question. But Turkey won't accept it nor do Turkish people talk about it. I remember that a Turkish historian was killed in the 00s, when he called it a genocide. This topic is a no-go in Turkey, you simply do not talk about it, let alone accepting this tragedy as a genocide. If you do that, most of them will call you a traitor to the nation. They do accept that they killed these people, but with the justification, that they did not intend killing them. They claim that they had to export them from their territories, because they were a threat to the nation, when they sought help from Russia. In order to prevent Russia from being a threat to the Ottoman Empire, they had to export them. During the export, they "accidentally" died, which is definitely not true. They say that they starved or had diseases etc., but there are pictures of Turkish troops being violent to them and even killing them.
They also lie about the number of victims.
I really hope that Turkey can accept this as a genocide one day, so we can finally process history. |
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Hoping for my country to follow suite quickly as the only reason it is not fully recognized here is the fear of completely damaging relations with Turkey (literally the secretary of state vs the rest of the country).
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Originally posted by WFL
You seem to assume everybody in Turkey knows English or as connected with the rest of the world as some of us here are. How many non-biased Turkish sources on this matter do you think people have in Turkey? Most people know as much as what they show on the turkish news/newspapers.
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Ok then, I'm sorry to hear that, I always thought Turkey was more open to the world.. I stand corrected !
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I guess it's a good news but everyone knows something about genocide so why is this so important?
The problem is that Armenia is taking this situation to fuel the haterade agains Turkey because you can always win some domestic points and creating storys and myths about this sad event is how nations are building ther history , importance, suffering ect
Turkey is denying genocide because till this day there has been i think only one judgment about genocide and thats in Rwanda but that one was between tribes while no country has faced that judgment against other ( serbia was accused by Bosnia for genocide in Srebrenica in '95 where more than 8000 ppl were killed but the international court sad that there were some elements but they didn't call that genocide because that's very sensitive ) . Also Turkey is very closed, everything is monitored . I met some turks while i was studying abrod via Erasmus program and they have no idea about the world. They can barely speak english , they are comparing everything to Turkey, they don't have regular twitter or youtube access, and they are living the life they want those 5 months outside turkey- they are not taking classes because they want to explore and enyoj the life they don't have back home.
But truth to be told both countries need to stop this mess.
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I had never heard of this until I accidentally saw some news about Kim Kardashian being there while I was looking for something else 
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Erdogan's on suicide watch. 
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There are so many things to say 
Call me racist but Armenians aren't that innocent either |
You're right, justice was served upon all those women and children!!
stfu LOL
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Originally posted by hummingbird12
I guess it's a good news but everyone knows something about genocide so why is this so important?
The problem is that Armenia is taking this situation to fuel the haterade agains Turkey because you can always win some domestic points and creating storys and myths about this sad event is how nations are building ther history , importance, suffering ect
Turkey is denying genocide because till this day there has been i think only one judgment about genocide and thats in Rwanda but that one was between tribes while no country has faced that judgment against other ( serbia was accused by Bosnia for genocide in Srebrenica in '95 where more than 8000 ppl were killed but the international court sad that there were some elements but they didn't call that genocide because that's very sensitive ) . Also Turkey is very closed, everything is monitored . I met some turks while i was studying abrod via Erasmus program and they have no idea about the world. They can barely speak english , they are comparing everything to Turkey, they don't have regular twitter or youtube access, and they are living the life they want those 5 months outside turkey- they are not taking classes because they want to explore and enyoj the life they don't have back home.
But truth to be told both countries need to stop this mess.
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We're not North Korea sis chill
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Good. I wonder what Erdogans reaction will be.
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Originally posted by MonsterPaw
Good. I wonder what Erdogans reaction will be. |
Fuming and I wouldn't be surprised if he threatened to cancel all agreements with EU over the migrant crisis. "You're on your own now, bye".
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