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What's annoying is how y'all stan and praise a producer more than Gaga herself, and have to connect her success to a male producer instead of the artist who's behind all her lyrics and direction. This isn't Britney working with Max Martin, or Rihanna with Stargate. Gaga is actually involved in the work more than her producers. There's a reason RedOne is ONLY listenable when he's connected to Gaga. There's a reason his only #1s or Grammys or acclaim is with her. There's a reason RedOne himself (when he wasn't a lowkey fuming mess) said Gaga is the sole reason behind her music and how she credits him for minimal additions to her songs. She's a huge part, she's created great material without him too, something he hasn't achieved outside of her name. It's very unfair to be up here giving him all the credit for her career, success and acclaim.
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I knew February 2016 was such a big month for a reason. She was working with RedOne from January to September 2015 at least, if not longer. Probably other producers too. They probably wanted the RedOne lead to come out along with the hype of her February endauvers (original Grammy performance anyone?) but Mark came into the picture and he's shaken things up.
LG5 literally serving me ANTI teas so far. #LG52017
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Originally posted by REALiTi
What's annoying is how y'all stan and praise a producer more than Gaga herself, and have to connect her success to a male producer instead of the artist who's behind all her lyrics and direction. This isn't Britney working with Max Martin, or Rihanna with Stargate. Gaga is actually involved in the work more than her producers. There's a reason RedOne is ONLY listenable when he's connected to Gaga. There's a reason his only #1s or Grammys or acclaim is with her. There's a reason RedOne himself (when he wasn't a lowkey fuming mess) said Gaga is the sole reason behind her music and how she credits him for minimal additions to her songs. She's a huge part, she's created great material without him too, something he hasn't achieved outside of her name. It's very unfair to be up here giving him all the credit for her career, success and acclaim. |
I agree, but who exactly are "those" people you are talking about ? I didn't see anyone on here acting like he is behind it all.
I want Gaga to experiment more than anything and the only reason I'd be sad if RedOne isn't on the album is because I just want to see them do something different.
It's not about TFM or their past. I want to hear how something new from them would sound. And if it's dated, I'd drag it, but I doubt it will be dated, and you know why I think the new music with RedOne won't dissapoint ? Your whole post is the answer.
Firstly "Gaga is involved more than her producers" then you say the new music with RedOne will be dated/unoriginal and so on.
If you believe in Gaga, you should believe in Gaga + RedOne too.
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Member Since: 5/27/2016
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And that "scrapped" thing is ********.
Mark and Gaga started working in March, If you think she knew in February that her and Mark will create something great to scrap RedOne even before she did anything with Mark is just... delusional 
This fanbase is the pits. I am excited about everyhting concerned with LG5 and y'all only spread negativity and ****.
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Member Since: 11/17/2011
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Originally posted by Tornado
I agree, but who exactly are "those" people you are talking about ? I didn't see anyone on here acting like he is behind it all.
I want Gaga to experiment more than anything and the only reason I'd be sad if RedOne isn't on the album is because I just want to see them do something different.
It's not about TFM or their past. I want to hear how something new from them would sound. And if it's dated, I'd drag it, but I doubt it will be dated, and you know why I think the new music with RedOne won't dissapoint ? Your whole post is the answer.
Firstly "Gaga is involved more than her producers" then you say the new music with RedOne will be dated/unoriginal and so on.
If you believe in Gaga, you should believe in Gaga + RedOne too.
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What kind of Donald Trump esque "Make America Great Again" mess is this
The problem is that people are putting RedOne on too high of a pedestal which is exactly why the meltdowns are happening, you yourself said it. It's cute that you want to hear something new from them, honestly, I wouldn't mind hearing a few songs from them myself, but people are acting as if his involvement is the center for LG5's success, Gaga's success and that's just not right. He's a big part of her career, but we can't attribute all of her success to him, which is what a lot of people on here are doing. Both fans and non-fans.
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Some people need to stop acting like he's been allegedly scrapped from the album just now, though. If anything, I'm pretty sure this is nothing more than old information which happened to be revealed at the moment simply because he's doing interviews to promote his new single. I'm really positive Gaga knows exactly what her direction is for quite a long time (as opposed to supposedly rushing everything just now). He is the one out of the loop.
We're still going to have the lead single by August and the album by October. Feel free to bookmark me.
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Originally posted by LadyGagaStan93
What kind of Donald Trump esque "Make America Great Again" mess is this
The problem is that people are putting RedOne on too high of a pedestal which is exactly why the meltdowns are happening, you yourself said it. It's cute that you want to hear something new from them, honestly, I wouldn't mind hearing a few songs from them myself, but people are acting as if his involvement is the center for LG5's success, Gaga's success and that's just not right. He's a big part of her career, but we can't attribute all of her success to him, which is what a lot of people on here are doing. Both fans and non-fans. |
But that's what fanbases do 
From all the people that Gaga has worked with, RedOne is number 1.
He is on a pedestal in general. He created some of her best, definitely her biggest and most iconic songs.
From the list of people Gaga has worked with and should work with again, he is definitely number 1.
Grammys + Critics + GP + Fans agree (the general opinion).
And again, the only people talking about "all of her success being thanks to RedOne" are you guys.
I hardly see anyone posting about RedOne on here, besides the RedOne haters. It's annoying. Y'all act like everyone is posting about RedOne being the best and so on, when in reality only the haters talk about him non stop.
And the funniest thing is using 2012 NON Gaga songs of RedOne as him being dated.
Yeah guess what a song that was released in 2012 and contains dance elements that were trendy then and are not trendy now would be dated.
You can only make the argument of Gaga + RedOne sounding dated if they release something now and it sounds dated.
Not using 2012 receipts
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Member Since: 8/1/2012
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I trust Gaga's judgement over RedOne's.
She's created fantastic work outside of their pairing and he hasn't. She's the mastermind behind her career, he isn't. Plus, he clearly has an agenda/bias here because he wants his tracks on LG5 and (presumably) is a bit pissed that Ronson helped re-direct the albums sound. Perhaps he thinks/knows that Ronson is re-working their songs (a la Gypsy).
But even if their songs are great, that doesn't automatically make them right for LG5. Maybe they sonically jar with the rest, maybe they've missed a trend so will sound dated in context, or maybe she just has better still songs. It's not as simple as good song = hit/praise, no matter how hard people want that to be true.
I don't mind either way, but frankly a small alarm bell went off when he said they "tried to recreate the magic" and we can "tell the new songs are by them". That's not necessarily a good thing.
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Member Since: 11/17/2011
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Originally posted by BlondUnicorn
Some people need to stop acting like he's been allegedly scrapped from the album just now, though. If anything, I'm pretty sure this is nothing more than old information which happened to be revealed at the moment simply because he's doing interviews to promote his new single. I'm really positive Gaga knows exactly what her direction is for a quite long time (as opposed to supposedly rushing everything just now). He is the one out of the loop.
We're still going to have the lead single by August and the album by October. Feel free to bookmark me.
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I agree with this too though. The fact that she's been working with certain types of producers tells me that she knows exactly what she wants, and it doesn't really look like RedOne is a part of that. But we'll see, I said before that I don't mind him on the album because his works with her before have been great.
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Member Since: 5/27/2016
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yeah she definitely knows where she is heading at, especially when Mark is already on tour.
New music is coming soon.
One thing I agree is that I can only see RedOne not being on LG5 if they actually have some arguments behind the scenes and one is being bitter or the other one egoistical and so on.
I simply don't think the music would be the problem and I am still sure RedOne will be on LG5.
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Member Since: 8/6/2015
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I'm here for Mark Ronson and the others hell anything is better than DJWS.
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Member Since: 8/7/2015
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Do y'all thing they had lead single release date planned? If you do, what do you think when were they gonna put it out?
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Member Since: 2/12/2012
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Idk why but I cackled too much at this "A mí 'ARTPOP' no me gustó."
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Member Since: 8/19/2011
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Originally posted by toanythingtaboo
I trust Gaga's judgement over RedOne's.
She's created fantastic work outside of their pairing and he hasn't. She's the mastermind behind her career, he isn't. Plus, he clearly has an agenda/bias here because he wants his tracks on LG5 and (presumably) is a bit pissed that Ronson helped re-direct the albums sound. Perhaps he thinks/knows that Ronson is re-working their songs (a la Gypsy).
But even if their songs are great, that doesn't automatically make them right for LG5. Maybe they sonically jar with the rest, maybe they've missed a trend so will sound dated in context, or maybe she just has better still songs. It's not as simple as good song = hit/praise, no matter how hard people want that to be true.
I don't mind either way, but frankly a small alarm bell went off when he said they "tried to recreate the magic" and we can "tell the new songs are by them". That's not necessarily a good thing.
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Come through with your flawless posts that are basically everything my brain wants to say but fails to communicate.
Especially the last part. Him describing his work with Gaga was everything I didn't want happen. I don't want rehashs, I don't want old sounds, I don't want 2.0s of their old material. If anything, this entire thing just reflects even more positively on the material she's making right now with Mark if Gaga and Bobby were willing to scrap 8 songs, scrap a lead and delay an entire era from starting simply for other material with a different producer. A drastic move that is clearly worth the change in direction and planning. I'm really not worried. I believe them.
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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A ReDone lead that you can tell is them working together again would likely be basic. At least we're still in the dark about what's to come, and of the 8 songs she did with ReDone half will probably make it to the album. We've known for months Ronson is the main man on this record.
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Member Since: 5/27/2016
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So she reject RedOne and ruin her amazing timing earlier this year.
Gaga is a mess.
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Member Since: 11/17/2011
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Originally posted by Tornado
But that's what fanbases do
From all the people that Gaga has worked with, RedOne is number 1.
He is on a pedestal in general. He created some of her best, definitely her biggest and most iconic songs.
From the list of people Gaga has worked with and should work with again, he is definitely number 1.
Grammys + Critics + GP + Fans agree (the general opinion).
And again, the only people talking about "all of her success being thanks to RedOne" are you guys.
I hardly see anyone posting about RedOne on here, besides the RedOne haters. It's annoying. Y'all act like everyone is posting about RedOne being the best and so on, when in reality only the haters talk about him non stop.
And the funniest thing is using 2012 NON Gaga songs of RedOne as him being dated.
Yeah guess what a song that was released in 2012 and contains dance elements that were trendy then and are not trendy now would be dated.
You can only make the argument of Gaga + RedOne sounding dated if they release something now and it sounds dated.
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You remind me of someone that used to post here before they got banned. Let me check into it. 
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But she seemed so confident about the redone tracks??? Elton said they were like You and I and Bad Romance level...
What in the world Is happening
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