The problem with vegans is that they don't respect other people's lifestyle choices. Meat eaters get defensive because they don't really have a defense - but I don't think they should have to have one. At this point, human society has definitively been eating meat for a long time and there is considerable evidence that we do actually benefit from the meat we eat (whether those benefits can be substituted with another non-animal substance is not the actual point).

It's the same thing with atheists, Christians, Muslims, meat-eaters, vegans. If everyone would just stay in their own lane and they stopped worrying about how the person next door is living their life, we would all be alright. As long as someone's lifestyle isn't affecting yours then you don't have a valid reason to judge.

Originally posted by Obsession The problem with vegans is that they don't respect other people's lifestyle choices. Meat eaters get defensive because they don't really have a defense - but I don't think they should have to have one. At this point, human society has definitively been eating meat for a long time and there is considerable evidence that we do actually benefit from the meat we eat (whether those benefits can be substituted with another non-animal substance is not the actual point). It's the same thing with atheists, Christians, Muslims, meat-eaters, vegans. If everyone would just stay in their own lane and they stopped worrying about how the person next door is living their life, we would all be alright. As long as someone's lifestyle isn't affecting yours then you don't have a valid reason to judge.

Originally posted by Obsession The problem with vegans is that they don't respect other people's lifestyle choices. Meat eaters get defensive because they don't really have a defense - but I don't think they should have to have one. At this point, human society has definitively been eating meat for a long time and there is considerable evidence that we do actually benefit from the meat we eat (whether those benefits can be substituted with another non-animal substance is not the actual point). It's the same thing with atheists, Christians, Muslims, meat-eaters, vegans. If everyone would just stay in their own lane and they stopped worrying about how the person next door is living their life, we would all be alright. As long as someone's lifestyle isn't affecting yours then you don't have a valid reason to judge.

I think you're missing the point. With that logic people should not be allowed to complain about homophobia, racism, sexism etc. because that's just another persons opinion and they should be allowed to express it. That's clearly not the case though. People fight against things that are oppressive, bigoted and cruel. Same with veganism.

Yes and human society also used to burn people at the stake who they thought were witches, drown "heathens" and were convinced the Earth was flat. Society moves on.

If you want people to "stay in their lane" then tell no one to complain about abuse, murder or rape then. See how far you get with that. And that last part is where you are very wrong, being a meat-eater does have an effect on vegans. Agriculture is the leading cause of greenhouse gas emissions, leading to global warming and ultimately the destruction of the planet. That affects everyone - and every animal - on the planet, So eating meat does indeed have a negative impact. And that's without even mentioning the cruelty, violence and torture that animals in slaughterhouses have to go through which in itself is hellish and barbaric.

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Originally posted by Abyssy I think you're missing the point. With that logic people should not be allowed to complain about homophobia, racism, sexism etc. because that's just another person opinion and they should be allowed to express it. That's clearly not the case though. People fight against things that are oppressive, bigoted and cruel. Same with veganism, Yes and human society also used to burn people at the stake who they thought were witches, drown "heathens" and were convinced the Earth was flat. Society moves on. If you want people to "stay in their lane" then tell no one to complain about abuse, murder or rape then. See how far you get with that. And that last part is where you are very wrong, being a meat-eater does have an effect on vegans. Agriculture is the leading cause of greenhouse gas emissions, leading to global warming and ultimately the destruction of the planet. That affects everyone - and every animal - on the planet, So eating meat does indeed have a negative impact. And that's without even mentioning the cruelty, violence and torture that animals in slaughterhouses have to go through which in itself is hellish and barbaric. xox

Originally posted by Abyssy Quite frankly I don't do it for health reasons, I do it for ethical. So I'm actually not that fussed about the life expectancy, I was just making a point for people who have health as their #1 priority. A balanced vegan diet can be very healthy. Also I don't have a clue what the study of rocks and substrate has to do with veganism and agriculture, maybe we're not the only ones "lacking essential fatty acids". I'm aware, they're better dying of natural causes than being brutalised and tortured. The overall number of domesticated animals will sharply decrease if they are no longer bred to be used for food but that's worth it, it's better not to be born than live a life of agony. There are things such as sterilization you know, like what is done to other domesticated animals such as cats and dogs, it prevents over breeding.