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TV Show: Survivor: Kaôh Rōng | Congrats to the winner and runners-up!
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Originally posted by Stevie
Honey, how do you know what relationships were stronger than others? Were you out there playing with them? Michele and Cydney were super close and Cydney voted for Michele likely because Michele was unwaveringly loyal to her. It seems like Cydney was closer to Michele over Aubry towards the end. Aubry is certainly no Russell, I was just making connections to past controversial outcomes. I do, however, have faith in the system. Meaning, the winner of each season may have not been the most well-rounded player, but they did play the best game their season to get themselves to the end and make the majority of the jury vote for them, which really is the premise of the game. Therefore, no winner is "undeserving". They simply might have not been your pick. I'm sick of the disrespect towards winners like Natalie, Sandra, and now Michele.
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You're entitled to your opinion and I respect it. I even respect Michele's game AND win. I just can't get behing your reasoning. If Aubry won for this exact game play against Michele playing JUST the same (in this case, the jury would've been different and more mature), you'd be praising Aubry and claiming her to be the best player this season just because of her win. Basically you have no opinion of someone's game play until the winner is announced and then you get behind that.
Someone nailed it on a post above, they rewarded the woman who behaved the best in their minds (I'm talking about Scott/Jason), and now it makes sense why they hated Alecia. They like their women submissive: Cyd was fine untile she turned on them and now HOW DARE SHE. Aubry wasn't going to waste time with despicable humans, so why care about her game? Yeah, good for Michele for winning with her social skills, it's just sad that half the jury will be more remembered than her...
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I don't think I ever really said that Michele was undoubtedly the best player this season. I just said that she deserves it, which she does! I'm coming to her defense because the disrespect and inaccuracy is just too ridiculous to sit back and watch.
Calling Michele submissive is actually kind of offensive. Nothing about Michele was submissive. Quieter? Yes. But when did Michele ever submit to a man this season? She wasn't a follower and she wasn't a goat. She played her own game and never followed the likes of Nick, Scot, Jason, or Tai. She ended up being pretty opposed to all of those guys at some point, it's just that she handled herself better than Aubry and Cydney did and made it seem like she was still friendly with them. Aubry and Cydney, as far as we know, made no effort to have any sort of a relationship with Jason and Scot after the Nick blindside/camp sabotage. Now that's fine, but don't cut somebody off and expect it not to cost you in a game like Survivor. I think that people take the game to be too much like life. Survivor is indeed a microcosm of life, but there are stark differences. Other than in extreme circumstances, there isn't so much lack, lying, and betrayal in life. Survivor is more extreme than life in many ways. But most of all, what makes Survivor so different is that the people voted out after the merge come back as jurors to decide the winner. There really isn't a parallel to the Survivor jury concept in the real world, which is why in life we can often cut off those who we dislike and not really have to deal with them anymore or care what they think of us. But where Aubry faltered was in people's perceptions of her. Perception may not be reality, but it's everything when you're trying to convince people to give to you. Aubry's mental and strategic game was on-point but because her social game was lacking, nobody got to really see just how intelligent she was. Instead, multiple jurors thought of her as fearful, neurotic, and defensive. That's her fault! And it wasn't just Jason and Scot who felt that way. She played a messier, more inconsistent game than Michele did. That was evident all over the season. Not speaking to Jason/Scot, writing down Julia's name and then crossing it out, having several breakdowns. Now, none of those are strikes against her as a moral human, but they are strikes against her as a Survivor player. Aubry's loss is justified.
And I'm sure Winchele can dry her tears over being unmemorable to stupid casuals who don't even understand the ins and outs of the game with her million. Poor her! 
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Originally posted by Stevie
I don't think I ever really said that Michele was undoubtedly the best player this season. I just said that she deserves it, which she does! I'm coming to her defense because the disrespect and inaccuracy is just too ridiculous to sit back and watch.
Calling Michele submissive is actually kind of offensive. Nothing about Michele was submissive. Quieter? Yes. But when did Michele ever submit to a man this season? She wasn't a follower and she wasn't a goat. She played her own game and never followed the likes of Nick, Scot, Jason, or Tai. She ended up being pretty opposed to all of those guys at some point, it's just that she handled herself better than Aubry and Cydney did and made it seem like she was still friendly with them. Aubry and Cydney, as far as we know, made no effort to have any sort of a relationship with Jason and Scot after the Nick blindside/camp sabotage. Now that's fine, but don't cut somebody off and expect it not to cost you in a game like Survivor. I think that people take the game to be too much like life. Survivor is indeed a microcosm of life, but there are stark differences. Other than in extreme circumstances, there isn't so much lack, lying, and betrayal in life. Survivor is more extreme than life in many ways. But most of all, what makes Survivor so different is that the people voted out after the merge come back as jurors to decide the winner. There really isn't a parallel to the Survivor jury concept in the real world, which is why in life we can often cut off those who we dislike and not really have to deal with them anymore or care what they think of us. But where Aubry faltered was in people's perceptions of her. Perception may not be reality, but it's everything when you're trying to convince people to give to you. Aubry's mental and strategic game was on-point but because her social game was lacking, nobody got to really see just how intelligent she was. Instead, multiple jurors thought of her as fearful, neurotic, and defensive. That's her fault! And it wasn't just Jason and Scot who felt that way. She played a messier, more inconsistent game than Michele did. That was evident all over the season. Not speaking to Jason/Scot, writing down Julia's name and then crossing it out, having several breakdowns. Now, none of those are strikes against her as a moral human, but they are strikes against her as a Survivor player. Aubry's loss is justified.
And I'm sure Winchele can dry her tears over being unmemorable to stupid casuals who don't even understand the ins and outs of the game with her million. Poor her! |
The straight up lies.
Most hardcore fans agree this was an underwhelming winner.
Live vicariously through Michelle though I guess!
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Originally posted by Stevie
I don't think I ever really said that Michele was undoubtedly the best player this season. I just said that she deserves it, which she does! I'm coming to her defense because the disrespect and inaccuracy is just too ridiculous to sit back and watch.
Calling Michele submissive is actually kind of offensive. Nothing about Michele was submissive. Quieter? Yes. But when did Michele ever submit to a man this season? She wasn't a follower and she wasn't a goat. She played her own game and never followed the likes of Nick, Scot, Jason, or Tai. She ended up being pretty opposed to all of those guys at some point, it's just that she handled herself better than Aubry and Cydney did and made it seem like she was still friendly with them. Aubry and Cydney, as far as we know, made no effort to have any sort of a relationship with Jason and Scot after the Nick blindside/camp sabotage. Now that's fine, but don't cut somebody off and expect it not to cost you in a game like Survivor. I think that people take the game to be too much like life. Survivor is indeed a microcosm of life, but there are stark differences. Other than in extreme circumstances, there isn't so much lack, lying, and betrayal in life. Survivor is more extreme than life in many ways. But most of all, what makes Survivor so different is that the people voted out after the merge come back as jurors to decide the winner. There really isn't a parallel to the Survivor jury concept in the real world, which is why in life we can often cut off those who we dislike and not really have to deal with them anymore or care what they think of us. But where Aubry faltered was in people's perceptions of her. Perception may not be reality, but it's everything when you're trying to convince people to give to you. Aubry's mental and strategic game was on-point but because her social game was lacking, nobody got to really see just how intelligent she was. Instead, multiple jurors thought of her as fearful, neurotic, and defensive. That's her fault! And it wasn't just Jason and Scot who felt that way. She played a messier, more inconsistent game than Michele did. That was evident all over the season. Not speaking to Jason/Scot, writing down Julia's name and then crossing it out, having several breakdowns. Now, none of those are strikes against her as a moral human, but they are strikes against her as a Survivor player. Aubry's loss is justified.
And I'm sure Winchele can dry her tears over being unmemorable to stupid casuals who don't even understand the ins and outs of the game with her million. Poor her! |
THIS.
Educate them, Gather them, Drag them, Clock them.
Thank you.
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What kind of effort that Michele do to build relationship with Jason and Scot? 
the delusion
Scot's effort to diminished Aubry's gameplay really embarassing, and i hate that kinda jury member, like try to affect others by nonsense "fact"
Simply, Scot and Jason chose her because they were bitter to Aubry. Michele didn't really orchestrated their downfall. It was Aubry who fought on the Immunity Challenge and Tai's decision that made them doom.
So yeah, the most make sense vote for them def Michele.
Even Julia hinted on her post game interview that Aubry deserved it.
I ain't mad Michele winning, at least she's my #3, but i think somebody else deserved it more.
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Yes, Julia and Jason have both said they'd vote for Aubry now after watching the events unfold. I guess that's one flaw of the game, you only see what you want to see at that moment.
I'm happy for Michele and yes, she wouldn't care less with her million now if she's a fan favorite or not. 
I'm also confused with Michele and Jason and Scott's relationship since she was super turned off by their display of "chaos" at camp. At exit interviews both Jason and Scott said Michele was the one who was more offended and pissed off than any other player left at that point.
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Yeah.. I still remember that Michele was super offended by Jason & Scot but she still talked strategy with them while Aubry refused to listen and talk with them. I think both of them annoyed and never intended to work with Jason & Scot anymore but Michele had better acting skills and acted like it still might be possible for Jason & Scot to work with her.
Tai was a mess but I had to agree with him. Aubry should listen to him. I think she kinda knew that Michele was a threat but Cyd convinced her to keep Michele. I have no doubt that during final 5 and final 4, Aubry will get rid of Michele but her luck  Aubry was the most unlucky contestant in this season while Michele was the luckiest.
But yeah.. Aubry's biggest mistake in this season was when she voted out Jason over Michele. Like why? Jason was like a goat and even if he make it to the final 3, he'll not win.
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Not me just found out that it was Joe & Nick who voted for Aubry
So Michele got Cydney, Debbie, Julia and the thugs.
Queen of Friendship.
Aubry better work on her social game next time when she come back. (I know she will)
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mess i thought it joe and debbie who voted for aubry 
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mess i thought it joe and debbie who voted for aubry |
Yeah.. I can't believe that she lost Debbie's vote too.
But then even Joe (her closest ally) said that Aubry often distance herself from everyone and was hard to have a real non-game related conversations with her.
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Survivor, throughout the history of the show, has given the million to the person they liked more 90% of the time. DEAL WITH IT.
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Yeah.. I can't believe that she lost Debbie's vote too.
But then even Joe (her closest ally) said that Aubry often distance herself from everyone and was hard to have a real non-game related conversations with her. |
I mean if JOE is saying that about Aubury it's so obvious why she lost...
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Yeah.. I can't believe that she lost Debbie's vote too.
But then even Joe (her closest ally) said that Aubry often distance herself from everyone and was hard to have a real non-game related conversations with her. |
that's why she lost...poor queen
and since debbie said in her ponderosa video that she will never vote for aubry in final 3 so it makes sense
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Knowing Aubry lost Debbie's vote just makes Michele's win more impressive.
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I think in the end Michelle was much more likeable person as a whole and she built personal/intimate relationships with her opponents that's why she gets all the votes. Aubry simply said it, "Everyone likes Michelle". Doesn't matter how good of a game you're playing - if you don't build personal relationship with people, you just can't win. (Obviously this isn't always the case, if the judges were from All-Star players, I think they'd choose to appreciate strategic gameplay over built relationship)
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There should've been a Kat Edorsson during FBTC 
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"How about we vote for the person who actually played the best game? How about we don’t base our decision on who made us angry because they were better than us?"
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Aubry would've SNATCH the votes
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Originally posted by Exzime.
(Obviously this isn't always the case, if the judges were from All-Star players, I think they'd choose to appreciate strategic gameplay over built relationship)
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If All-Stars appreciated strategic gameplay, Queen Parvati would've won Heroes vs Villains.
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I wish the edit showed more of Michele's social game instead of having to hear about it from post-game interviews. I'm sure if they included how close she was to Cydney, more people would've been accepting of her win. The show made it seem like she had no one out there.
P.S. How is considering a woman "neurotic" not a gendered insult?
Sounds like something Donald Trump would say, stop it!
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This post finale debate across the Internet is QUITE something tbh.
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