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News: John Pilger: Why Clinton Is More Dangerous Than Trump
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John Pilger: Why Clinton Is More Dangerous Than Trump
Many of you may not like the title, but I encourage you to read it anyway, because this article is not about the presidential election, but something much, much bigger.
Alternative title: A world war has begun. Break the silence
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Trust me, I don't even have to read the article (I will though) to know Clinton is dangerous. Its sad because Clinton and Trump are going to be the final 2 presidential candidates and either way, America is doomed. Will miss Obama.
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Originally posted by B'Day
Trust me, I don't even have to read the article (I will though) to know Clinton is dangerous. Its sad because Clinton and Trump are going to be the final 2 presidential candidates and either way, America is doomed. Will miss Obama.
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This is much bigger than just America though.
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Originally posted by B'Day
Trust me, I don't even have to read the article (I will though) to know Clinton is dangerous. Its sad because Clinton and Trump are going to be the final 2 presidential candidates and either way, America is doomed. Will miss Obama.
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world is doomed baby 
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I wish Obama could stay in power for 20 years like Putin did 
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Y'all really should read this article. It's FULL of holes, fallacies, etc.
Not to mention the publisher seems to have a HORRIBLE reputation.
It's a good read for kiis.
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Member Since: 8/18/2013
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Originally posted by Desperate Fantast
This is much bigger than just America though.
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Oh I read it, the weapons and all. Yep, I'm not surprised. America influences every country.
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world is doomed baby 
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 I'm sorry I know this is an emotional moment but your sig 
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I still dont think Hillary is worse than Trump.
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Another day another laughable conspiracy theory thrown at Hillary 
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Clinton is definitely questionable, but personally for this election I think she's a good thing.
She can win over more moderate Republicans who dislike Trump.
Yes she's 'establishment' but she's not half as terrible as people are making her out to be.
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Insightful read. What he said about Australian politics was also true - also where the discourse went wrong in liberal politics & how intelligent people will just blindly follow politicians with progressive views without questioning the actual individuals motives.
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This thread will get closed by the modllarys but Mr. Pilger is correct!
edit: kii @ the report. Thanks for proving my point, modllarys!
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Just skimmed, but I've always held this position. Hillary (like Obama) will get away with war crimes and other violations of international law that we'd* rightfully hold Trump accountable for, which is certainly relevant since she brags she'll have a "more muscular" foreign policy than Obama. This is perfectly illustrated by the point the author made re: Obama's record-breaking deportations, which most people probably don't know (they certainly hail him as a friend to all minorities). Doesn't make Trump qualified (he sure as hell isn't), but it just highlights what an awful choice we have ahead of us.
* By "we" I mean democrats, moderates, washington & the mainstream media.
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Originally posted by KatyLegendperry
This thread will get closed by the modllarys but Mr. Pilger is correct!
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This article is so bias omg. First of all this writer is so bias against the US it seeps through every sentence he writes. China has been aggressively adding territories for months now. On top of this, if he seriously thinks the US would ever detonate a nuclear weapon he's in denial. What a loon.
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The site is not loading for me when I click on the link, but I found summaries of his arguments and I can't get past the sharp criticisms towards Obama over nuclear weapons. The nuclear arms deal with Iran was accomplished entirely with diplomacy and Obama deserves a large amount of praise for that accomplishment. The author, based on what I've read (I'll edit when the link works and I can read it), seems to be a part of the left wing that is extremist and views Obama and Hillary as "Republican-lite" politicians. Which means I'm likely to not take you seriously.
Again, I'll read it when it works. But this is my initial reaction.
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Originally posted by Bloo
The site is not loading for me when I click on the link, but I found summaries of his arguments and I can't get past the sharp criticisms towards Obama over nuclear weapons. The nuclear arms deal with Iran was accomplished entirely with diplomacy and Obama deserves a large amount of praise for that accomplishment. The author, based on what I've read (I'll edit when the link works and I can read it), seems to be a part of the left wing that is extremist and views Obama and Hillary as "Republican-lite" politicians. Which means I'm likely to not take you seriously.
Again, I'll read it when it works. But this is my initial reaction.
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He actually talks about the republicans from an objective view
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This is the country that has attacked and sought to overthrow more than 50 governments, many of them democracies, and bombed from Asia to the Middle East, causing the deaths and dispossession of millions of people.
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I just wanted to highlight this part of the article. I think plenty of ATRLers/American GP think of the US as a steadying force in the world rather than a typical empire builder. Their foreign policy allowed for a newer, more subversive form of empire building. Overthrowing governments and installing their choice as leader, afterwards.
Clinton does seem quite bloodthirsty generally - if she is selected, you know she will look to make her mark early on and start a war, to give the first female president credibility and to stave off any accusations of softness.
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The title was enough. Trump is an absolute JOKE. the world already hates him and he doesn't know what he's doing.
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I understand the criticisms and concerns of a Hillary Clinton presidency, she is pretty hawkish. However, I still strongly disagree with the assertion that she is somehow more dangerous than Donald Trump. Further, claiming that Donald Trump is not the "Deporter-In-Chief" and it's President Obama, I can't take you seriously. Donald Trump is not the "Deporter-In-Chief" even though he wants to ban Muslims from the country and deport illegal Mexican immigrants and build a 100 foot wall across the southern border of the US? Give me a break. It's probably easy to dismiss the dangers and fears of US citizens who would actually be impacted by the idea of a Trump presidency when you live thousands of miles away.
The biggest logical fallacy in this entire article is that it assumes Trump is entirely innocent and that the hatred surrounding him is entirely the media's fault. Of course, the media has been focusing a lot on him, but it's his own words and actions that have done him in.
Also, as others have mentioned, the amount of bias in this article is a clear red flag for lack of credibility.
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Originally posted by Reader
I just wanted to highlight this part of the article. I think plenty of ATRLers/American GP think of the US as a steadying force in the world rather than a typical empire builder. Their foreign policy allowed for a newer, more subversive form of empire building. Overthrowing governments and installing their choice as leader, afterwards.
Clinton does seem quite bloodthirsty generally - if she is selected, you know she will look to make her mark early on and start a war, to give the first female president credibility and to stave off any accusations of softness.
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The US really should let other countries fend for themselves. Theres literally wars and bombings daily in the middle east but somehow its always a blame the USA moment.
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