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Discussion: U.S. Election 2016: Primary Season
Member Since: 2/11/2012
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Originally posted by Mike91
Because if Trump becomes president then NOTHING Bernie has proposed gets done. This is not about becoming president (again, I don't think he ever even wanted the job to start), he just wants the party to not be so dependent on corporate interests, reject bad trade deals, and actually stand for more stuff, etc.
But again, it all means nothing if neither of them end up getting elected. I think Bernie will support Hillary no matter what in the ned, but I already know Weaver is telling him to keep this "contested convention" bs going. Probably so he can keep receiving money.
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It just seems he has no obligation to the Democratic Party which is why the majority of the Super Delegates went to Hillary before the Primary was even in full gear because they knew he isn't a "devoted" Democrat. His tone remains too aggressive and I don't see him supporting Hillary because again he has no obligation or loyalty to the Democratic Party because he is a "Independent" . I do feel Primaries should consist of 3 parties campaigning for their party nomination. Republican, Democrat and Independent
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Originally posted by Retro
Trump doesn't give a **** about LGBT Americans; he hides behind the cold economic logic that it's better financially to let LGBT people thrive, and fails to go further by giving our further concerns (it's not just about marriage, buying cakes, and letting people pee in peace) legitimacy.
With regard to Sanders, he exposed nothing - only exaggerated. Hillary has a record that is demonstrably among the more progressive in the Senate and that has maintained remarkable consistency. No ridiculous, wrong, misinformed YouTube video or ranting from Sanders can change that. Her Wall Street speeches were neither secret nor uncommon, for any politician of any party. She was paid fair market value for the speeches and, as testimony from people in attendance has indicated, spoke about Secretary of State things. Does anyone really think it's reasonable to any extent to act like she went in their just to sit there praising them and plotting with them about how to steal more money from American citizens? Because let's be real here.
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When it comes to the Republican Party I rather Trump win the nomination than Cruz I never understand why the LGBT underrates Ted Cruz and focus their attacks on Trump when Ted is the more vile of the 2, I rather a Trump Presidency than a Cruz.. Are we forgetting that Cruz attended and was endorse by a Pasor that gave a "Gays should be Killed" speech on the same say he endorse Ted Cruz.. Cruz recently said that masturbation, oral and sex toys should be illegal that man is vile and psycho but yet the LGBT focuses their dislike on Trump.. 
And yes Sanders did expose not only Hillary but Politcians in general he basically said when Wall Street Lobbyists
amd Special interest groups like big corporations donate they are expecting a favor in return which is why he was
pressing on Hillary to release her Wall Street speeches..Trump has also said this about donations because Trump himself was a special interest for many politicians he has admitted that he wrote them a check and he has control and they support his events (he didn't get into specifics) he did however say that he wrote Hillary a check and in return she attends his wedding  ..because of them I have noticed Hillary, Ted, Kasich have been more on the self funding side than accepting donations from Wall Street and big companies
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I don't see anything really getting worse socially for white gays with a Trump presidency (kinda explains the Twinks for Trump phenomenon) but any other kind of minority or mix? Well, my prayers be with you. Deal me in the Woman Card, Hillary.
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Member Since: 5/12/2012
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Originally posted by Beautiful Liar
[B][I]And yes Sanders did expose not only Hillary but Politcians in general he basically said when Wall Street Lobbyists
amd Special interest groups like big corporations donate they are expecting a favor in return which is why he was
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And yet he failed to point to a single time that Hillary has ever done that. Just because Bernie Sanders says something does not mean that it is true. However, I do find it questionable that the NRA (National Rifles Association) helped Bernie get elected into the Senate and yet he voted against the Brady Bill 5 times... Maybe special interests were playing a hand there. But I can't say for certain. However, Bernie said that because he was trying to attack her on something to make her seem more weak as a candidate. Until he can give and provide an example of how Hillary's vote has changed because of corporate interest, then it's not solid rhetoric.
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Originally posted by Bloo
And yet he failed to point to a single time that Hillary has ever done that.Just because Bernie Sanders says something does not mean that it is true. However, I do find it questionable that the NRA (National Rifles Association) helped Bernie get elected into the Senate and yet he voted against the Brady Bill 5 times... Maybe special interests were playing a hand there. But I can't say for certain. However, Bernie said that because he was trying to attack her on something to make her seem more weak as a candidate. Until he can give and provide an example of how Hillary's vote has changed because of corporate interest, then it's not solid rhetoric.
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He kinda did tho didn't he tweet recently a picture of Hillary and Bill at Trumps wedding? ?which Trump himself has implied he paid her to attend because he donated to her Senate run if I remember correctly 
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Trump has a 75% unfavorable rating from women according to Fox News  this incoming landslide....
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Originally posted by Cheetos
Trump has a 75% unfavorable rating from women according to Fox News this incoming landslide.... |
This is why his VP needs to be women, if he is smart it would be a Hispanic
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Originally posted by Beautiful Liar
This is why his VP needs to be women, if he is smart it would be a Hispanic
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The VP should be Tim Kaine! Or Sherrod Brown! Kaine would deliver Virginia and Brown Ohio, but Kasich would get to name brown's successor 
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Originally posted by Beautiful Liar
This is why his VP needs to be women, if he is smart it would be a Hispanic
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Tbh I'd love for Trump to turn around and upset his white supremacist base by nominating a black or Latino as his VP 
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Originally posted by Bloo
... He can do whatever he chooses to do with it. He can keep it entirely to himself, donate it to charity, give it to Hillary's campaign for the GE, anything.
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He just can't use it for "personal use".
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Member Since: 8/29/2011
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Originally posted by Beautiful Liar
This is why his VP needs to be women, if he is smart it would be a Hispanic
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There was a rumor that several women, I.e. Nikki Haley, declined it. Good luck with him finding a female VP! Also, pandering doesn't change female votes much, a la 2008 and Sarah Palin.
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I don't really pay much attention to Republican politics, so I don't have a lot of ideas but who do you guys think Trump might nominate as his VP? Most of the establishment seems to hate him so I see it being someone fringe.
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Originally posted by cherylcole
I don't really pay much attention to Republican politics, so I don't have a lot of ideas but who do you guys think Trump might nominate as his VP? Most of the establishment seems to hate him so I see it being someone fringe.
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I honestly have no idea. Hulk Hogan maybe? Wouldn't be surprised it was another political outsider. If he's smart, it will be Chris Christie. 
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President Obama's white house speech was incredible 
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A vote for Bernie is a vote for guns. 
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How does them attending his wedding have anything to do with her voting record being impact by corporate interests? Cite me an example in her voting record and/or her policy positions. Also, Donald Trump used to be a lifelong Democrat... Don't know what that proves.
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Originally posted by Cheetos
The VP should be Tim Kaine! Or Sherrod Brown! Kaine would deliver Virginia and Brown Ohio, but Kasich would get to name brown's successor |
A VP from a swing state would be ideal because it may guarantee a win in that state in the general so yea a VP from Virginia, Indiana, Ohio are all good swing states but Trump knows he needs some of the minority vote so either a woman of color or a man of color is what he needs..  @ someone mentioning Chris Christie for VP he is like Carly Fiona useless and dead weight that bring in no voters..
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Originally posted by cherylcole
Tbh I'd love for Trump to turn around and upset his white supremacist base by nominating a black or Latino as his VP |
Ooh I didn't even think about this but his VP has to be someone that can lighten up his image and bring in new voters from the minority side and Chris Christie or Ben Carson would be awful running mates.. A CNN analysts said that if he can get 12% of both the black and Latino votes in the general he should be fine..
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Member Since: 7/21/2012
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Originally posted by Cheetos
Trump has a 75% unfavorable rating from women according to Fox News this incoming landslide.... |
This is why it amazes me how people think Trump has any chance at winning the GE.
His unfavorable rating is even higher among Hispanics and blacks. He will literally have to rely on all of the white male vote and it's not happening.
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Originally posted by Bloo
How does them attending his wedding have anything to do with her voting record being impact by corporate interests? Cite me an example in her voting record and/or her policy positions. Also, Donald Trump used to be a lifelong Democrat... Don't know what that proves.
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It further proves that the millionaires and big corporations are not just writing you a check because they support the party they most likely want something out of it, it's like the Rifle Association they are biggest donors in politics and very little politicians from both parities vote against any type of gun control proposal than they hide behind the 2nd amendment..
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