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Discussion: U.S. Election 2016: Primary Season
Member Since: 6/20/2012
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"I would expect this from the far-left."
You're damn right you're going to expect us to talk and care about what could become a series of the biggest crises known to humankind.
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I think every (or most) Democrats acknowledge and believe that climate change is one of the most important issues of our time.  But at the same time, I can't blame people for prioritizing things that affect them personally and frankly would have a higher chance of being worked across the aisle. Isn't the current Republican platform that climate change is a liberal myth?
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Originally posted by Cupid
Maybe you haven't been paying attention to this thread recently but it's been one of the main discussions these past few days since the last debate. People are definitely talking about it.
But they shouldn't be judged or patronised for not having it as their #1 issue. I've seen a lot of shaming over that and it's disgusting, that's all I'm saying.
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Progress isn't made by nicely telling people "it's okay that this isn't a priority for you" and dropping the discussion. That's what I'm saying.
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Climate Change is one of my top issues for sure. As someone on Twitter once put it: "How we gon defeat ISIS with no Earth?"
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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I don't think it is productive to force people (via rhetoric) to make certain issues their top priority; that just gets people angry. Instead, we need to spread information so convincing about issues like climate change that they end up making it a priority.
That's my two cents.
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Originally posted by The Countess
I think every (or most) Democrats acknowledge and believe that climate change is one of the most important issues of our time.  But at the same time, I can't blame people for prioritizing things that affect them personally and frankly would have a higher chance of being worked across the aisle. Isn't the current Republican platform that climate change is a liberal myth?
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And that's exactly why we should push back harder. It's the same with issues like gay rights, race relations, voter rights - ALL the issues that the GOP tries to mitigate should become our priorities. We should push harder, fight back stronger, be louder, and not about just a few issues.
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Member Since: 8/31/2013
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Originally posted by Shame♥
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Everyone talking about how ignorant this. They are planning to go all the way to the convention. 
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I SCREAMED when he pointed at ALL the states as potential wins  wyd??
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ATRL Senior Member
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Originally posted by Cupid
And at the same time you can't force people to change their priorities, you don't know their history and life and their reasons why something is important to them. Nobody is stopping you from keeping the discussion going, but do so respectfully and don't look down on those who share a different view. It's just basic manners honestly.
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And as I said previously, one can be respectful while still firmly and pointedly rejecting and refuting an opposing stance, in this case the stance being that climate change isn't a top-tier priority for an individual.
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Member Since: 11/15/2009
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Originally posted by Temporal
Climate Change is one of my top issues for sure. As someone on Twitter once put it: "How we gon defeat ISIS with no Earth?"
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Honestly all of us will be long gone anyways before the Earth becomes uninhabitable.
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Member Since: 6/20/2012
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Originally posted by alexanderao
I don't think we need to force people to make certain issues their top priority; that just gets people angry. Instead, we need to spread information so convincing about issues like climate change that they end up making it their top priority.
That's my two cents.
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We shouldn't be forcing anyone to make climate change their top priority, yes. I'm advocating for people to make it a priority before it's too late and condemning some of the rhetoric that's been spread among supporters from both bases: criticizing other supporters and nitpicking quotes/videos from different places in attempts to mock and "drag" (which people do have the right to do, though).
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Member Since: 5/12/2012
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Why are people fighting over climate change, but particularly how we don't discuss that much over climate change in this thread? The answer is simple, most people in this thread (if not 99%) support either Hillary or Bernie. Hillary and Bernie supporters, collectively, all recognize the severity of climate change. Some may be more worried about it than others. It's one of my top concerns, honestly. But, there isn't much discussion because we're in agreement over it. There's not much reason for Bernie and Hillary fans to exchange and swap opinions regarding the environment unless it's the environmental differences between the candidates.
Fracking is fair game, in my mind, but getting mad that people don't say the environment is important in this thread is kind of petty, to me. Mainly because I think everyone is in agreement. If there are disagreements that arise during a debate, sure, then it will be discussed. And this thread has demonstrated that. But, when the main issues of the campaign race between Bernie and Hillary have been focused on the economy and other domestic issues, then you can't blame people in this thread for focusing a lot of conversation on those issues.
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Originally posted by @michael
Honestly all of us will be long gone anyways before the Earth becomes uninhabitable.
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But this is the generation that will influence that final outcome. This is the turning point - what we do will seal the fate of the world or prevent such an end from coming.
And honestly, massive consequences aren't that far out, and may be well within our lifetimes. The simplest issue to discuss is how climate change (along with urbanization, but that's a somewhat separate discussion) is drastically reducing the populations of the pollinators upon which we rely for about 75% of the world's agriculture. And that's just one of the many facets of the issue.
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Member Since: 8/10/2010
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Originally posted by Marvin
Tragic numbers. The fact that you even have to register to vote is just
Good to see some states trying to change that though 
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This is really sad. I know I didn't vote in this primary because I'm registered in another state and didn't want to go through the hassle. The voting system needs to change.
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Member Since: 6/20/2012
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Originally posted by Cupid
And do you think telling people they're biased and don't know what's important is the best way to win them over to your point of view? It's like politics 101, you don't win people over by demeaning them, you do so through education and discussion.
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Thanking two members for being unbiased and speaking about issues that matter doesn't mean I'm telling others they're biased and don't know what's important. Again, you're spinning things and taking them out of context.
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Member Since: 8/18/2013
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I agree with Cupid and alexandro. If you want people to care about an issue, the wrong way of going about it is insulting them, using an insultive/condescending tone, and basically acting superior to people by claiming how much you care and know about that topic.
It comes off obnoxious and your "care" about the issue comes off ingenuine and just as a means to make you feel better about yourself especially if you're not actually talking about the topic and just telling people "WHY DON'T YOU CARE". Not everyone cares about the same things and they're entitled to that as humans. Scientifically speaking, the planet is going to be obliterated by the Sun in a couple billion years + the planet naturally goes through cycles of temperature change regardless of what we put into it. So, climate change is a great convo and thing to be active about but (not to be super grim) it's only going to save us a sprinkle of time overall before it's all over.
That's just my 2 cents though. 
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Member Since: 1/20/2012
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Originally posted by foxaylove
I agree. When a child is born of American citizenship, they should be on a registry that will automatically register them once they are 18 years old (17 years old if they turn 18 during an election year). However, it is the responsibility of that voter to distinguish their political party at their own time. They'll be automatically registered as an Independent. Once they decide, they should submit their party affiliation request to have it changed.
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Exactly how it should be. Although I don't know if a lot of the previously-unregistered voters would be motivated to choose a party, which is another reason why I'd like all primaries to be open or semi-open at least.
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Member Since: 6/20/2012
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Originally posted by Bloo
Why are people fighting over climate change, but particularly how we don't discuss that much over climate change in this thread? The answer is simple, most people in this thread (if not 99%) support either Hillary or Bernie. Hillary and Bernie supporters, collectively, all recognize the severity of climate change. Some may be more worried about it than others. It's one of my top concerns, honestly. But, there isn't much discussion because we're in agreement over it. There's not much reason for Bernie and Hillary fans to exchange and swap opinions regarding the environment unless it's the environmental differences between the candidates.
Fracking is fair game, in my mind, but getting mad that people don't say the environment is important in this thread is kind of petty, to me. Mainly because I think everyone is in agreement. If there are disagreements that arise during a debate, sure, then it will be discussed. And this thread has demonstrated that. But, when the main issues of the campaign race between Bernie and Hillary have been focused on the economy and other domestic issues, then you can't blame people in this thread for focusing a lot of conversation on those issues.
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My main point wasn't even climate change. I brought up environmental issues as an example as to what could be discussed outside of obsessive and unnecessary mocking of other candidates' supporters. Though, the reason I brought up that example specifically is because of what I have been seeing in terms of disregard towards the issue.
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Member Since: 3/3/2011
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TBH BernieBros seem more concerned about Hillary's wall street speeches than they are about Climate Change.
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