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Discussion: U.S. Election 2016: Primary Season
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Originally posted by heckinglovato
If you guys talked about issues like climate change, fracking, water contamination, energy conservation & wildlife conservation as much as you talk about Bernie supporters, maybe you'd start getting yourselves enlightened about how important environmental issues are and begin to prioritize them on your list of concerns.
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Ayy. But I'm 
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Me at lunch today when all the Bernie stans were talking about how devastated (some said the actually cried...) they were when Bernie lost yesterday.
but it all honesty what did they expect with New York 
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Member Since: 11/15/2009
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Originally posted by G.U.Y. Gaga
Me at lunch today when all the Bernie stans were talking about how devastated (some said the actually cried...) they were when Bernie lost today.
but it all honesty what did they expect with New York |
That's what I don't get. Every poll showed Hillary having a comfortable double-digit win, and that's what happened 
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Member Since: 11/15/2009
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Originally posted by Cupid
Or you could just learn to accept other people's opinions. Not everybody will have climate change as their #1 issue. This patronising tone is the problem here, to be honest.
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All Hillary has to do now is hold down the fort. She looks set to sweep next week and if she does, it's essentially over.
Even if he converts California, at this point, it's just not reasonably possible.
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Member Since: 11/15/2009
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Originally posted by Retro
All Hillary has to do now is hold down the fort. She looks set to sweep next week and if she does, it's essentially over.
Even if he converts California, at this point, it's just not reasonably possible.
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I'm still on a NY high but I already can't wait for 4/26. 
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Member Since: 7/21/2012
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Originally posted by heckinglovato
If you guys talked about issues like climate change, fracking, water contamination, energy conservation & wildlife conservation as much as you talk about Bernie supporters, maybe you'd start getting yourselves enlightened about how important environmental issues are and begin to prioritize them on your list of concerns.
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Didn't we just have this discussion? Didn't we just agree that climate change is a real issue? Didn't we say that it IS, however, NOT the only issue nor the main issue of the electorate of both parties and majority of American voters?
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It seems like Bernie not knowing the specifics of his campaign really hurt him these past two weeks.
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Member Since: 11/15/2009
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Originally posted by King Maxx
Didn't we just have this discussion? Didn't we just agree that climate change is a real issue? Didn't we say that it IS, however, NOT the only issue nor the main issue of the electorate of both parties and majority of American voters?
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Talking about how we need to be "enlightened"  Giving me "low-info voters" teas.
Give me a break with that tone! 
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Originally posted by The Countess
It seems like Bernie not knowing the specifics of his campaign really hurt him these past two weeks.
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It was incredibly damning. It showed that he's really just a stump speech with not much depth.
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Originally posted by Cupid
Or you could just learn to accept other people's opinions. Not everybody will have climate change as their #1 issue. This patronising tone is the problem here, to be honest.
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That's not the point. It's not about it being anyone's #1. People here don't make it an issue, aren't concerned enough, claim there are "more important things going on" and they just don't have the energy and time to devote to the climate with all the rest of the stuff going on. That is a problem. That is not acceptable. That is the attitude that is going to kill us and our planet. It doesn't have to be anyone's main priority, but damn it, it has to be a priority, especially for anyone who wants to call themselves a liberal or a Democrat or anything of the like. Leave the other side to pretend that nothing's happening, that this isn't a concern, that multinational oil and gas corporations aren't hijacking the narrative to mitigate concerns. That's a disease for another party and ideology to deal with, and it has no place in logical thought or liberal thought.
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Member Since: 8/7/2015
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Originally posted by King Maxx
Didn't we just have this discussion? Didn't we just agree that climate change is a real issue? Didn't we say that it IS, however, NOT the only issue nor the main issue of the electorate of both parties and majority of American voters?
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It should be.
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omg 5 states up for grabs next week? 
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"Sanders wins majority of NY counties despite Clinton victory"
Of course this article got to the first page on /r/politics
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Originally posted by Retro
That's not the point. It's not about it being anyone's #1. People here don't make it an issue, aren't concerned enough, claim there are "more important things going on" and they just don't have the energy and time to devote to the climate with all the rest of the stuff going on. That is a problem. That is not acceptable. That is the attitude that is going to kill us and our planet. It doesn't have to be anyone's main priority, but damn it, it has to be a priority, especially for anyone who wants to call themselves a liberal or a Democrat or anything of the like. Leave the other side to pretend that nothing's happening, that this isn't a concern, that multinational oil and gas corporations aren't hijacking the narrative to mitigate concerns. That's a disease for another party and ideology to deal with, and it has no place in logical thought or liberal thought.
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nobody is stopping you from posting about it.  if people ignore it here you cant force them to talk about it 
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Member Since: 7/21/2012
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Originally posted by Retro
That's not the point. It's not about it being anyone's #1. People here don't make it an issue, aren't concerned enough, claim there are "more important things going on" and they just don't have the energy and time to devote to the climate with all the rest of the stuff going on. That is a problem. That is not acceptable. That is the attitude that is going to kill us and our planet. It doesn't have to be anyone's main priority, but damn it, it has to be a priority, especially for anyone who wants to call themselves a liberal or a Democrat or anything of the like. Leave the other side to pretend that nothing's happening, that this isn't a concern, that multinational oil and gas corporations aren't hijacking the narrative to mitigate concerns. That's a disease for another party and ideology to deal with, and it has no place in logical thought or liberal thought.
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Originally posted by Bey Admired
It should be.
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Wow I'm disappointed in you Hillary supporters. I would expect this from the far-left and far-right, but not us. No one in here has denied climate change so for that user to suggest Hillary supporters don't care or acknowledge it is false and you should call him out not us.
Secondly, NO climate change does not and will not be my main concern or issue as a liberal/Democrat/progressive or whatever you want to call it. Not over the piss poor education my little cousins are experiencing right now. Not when I can get fired for being gay. Not when ISIS is blowing up American citizens are few states away from me. Not when as a black man I have to fear for my life everyday whenever I see a police officer come around me. Not when I see so many kids in unfit homes and drug addicts in my family out on the street.
So please I respect your opinion, but please respect mine. Climate change is an issue, but it is not my main concern. Not in 2016 when so much is at stake this election.
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Originally posted by Reza
nobody is stopping you from posting about it. if people ignore it here you cant force them to talk about it |
First off, that's not the point. I don't care if people talk about it here - I care about how they talk about it when they do.
Second, we absolutely can force the issue. We can keep bringing it up, we can make the right arguments, we can be clear about the consequences if we allow this to become irreversible and uncontrollable.
Nobody ever makes progress on significant issues by sitting in the corner and thinking, "oh, well we can't force people to talk about it..." And that's because, in reality, we absolutely can force the issue. Much less on an online forum than in real life, but we can.
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Originally posted by Reza
We can talk about whatever we want to talk about in this thread as it relates to politics or the candidates.  |
I never said you couldn't, I never implied you couldn't. I was suggesting what would be substantive and legitimate, and that's definitely not complaining about Bernie's supporters 24/7. You're free to discuss whatever you want. Your response was very irrelevant to my point.
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Originally posted by Cupid
Or you could just learn to accept other people's opinions. Not everybody will have climate change as their #1 issue. This patronising tone is the problem here, to be honest.
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My main issue right now wasn't even climate change but what people have been discussing instead of real issues and real concerns. I went on to explain in a later post that I'd rather talk about real issues than Bernie's supporters (or even ones that don't matter as much, but aren't complaining about other candidates' supporters 24/7). Taking things out of context to make it about climate change isn't related. Also, it doesn't have be to anybody's #1 issue; all I said was about prioritizing.
Also, this "tone" comment is as tired as the "BernieBros" term. Just because I'm talking about and advocating for substance, doesn't mean there's anything wrong with my tone. I'd rather have a "tone" while talking about things that matter (or don't matter as much, but aren't complaining about candidates' supporters 24/7) than obsessively criticize what selective individuals in other bases do or say.
Again, everybody's free to debate the things they choose to. I'm certainly not trying to suppress anybody's speech, but rather advocate for what I think is beneficial and rightfully voice my concerns about what I don't find beneficial.
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Member Since: 6/20/2012
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Originally posted by Bey Admired
It should be.
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Originally posted by Retro
That's not the point. It's not about it being anyone's #1. People here don't make it an issue, aren't concerned enough, claim there are "more important things going on" and they just don't have the energy and time to devote to the climate with all the rest of the stuff going on. That is a problem. That is not acceptable. That is the attitude that is going to kill us and our planet. It doesn't have to be anyone's main priority, but damn it, it has to be a priority, especially for anyone who wants to call themselves a liberal or a Democrat or anything of the like. Leave the other side to pretend that nothing's happening, that this isn't a concern, that multinational oil and gas corporations aren't hijacking the narrative to mitigate concerns. That's a disease for another party and ideology to deal with, and it has no place in logical thought or liberal thought.
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Thank you for being as unbiased as possible and talking about the things that matter.
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ATRL Senior Member
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Originally posted by King Maxx
Wow I'm disappointed in you Hillary supporters. I would expect this from the far-left and far-right, but not us. No one in here has denied climate change so for that user to suggest Hillary supporters don't care or acknowledge it is false and you should call him out not us.
Secondly, NO climate change does not and will not be my main concern or issue as a liberal/Democrat/progressive or whatever you want to call it. Not over the piss poor education my little cousins are experiencing right now. Not when I can get fired for being gay. Not when ISIS is blowing up American citizens are few states away from me. Not when as a black man I have to fear for my life everyday whenever I see a police officer come around me. Not when I see so many kids in unfit homes and drug addicts in my family out on the street.
So please I respect your opinion, but please respect mine. Climate change is an issue, but it is not my main concern. Not in 2016 when so much is at stake this election.
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No, really, the people in this thread have consistently demonstrated that they do not hold the issue in high regard on average. Just saying "well, it's a thing and we should look at it" is not enough. It's not about taking precedence over your family's education, your sexuality, your race, the threat of terrorism, or living conditions of others, and to suggest that the "far left" (who you apparently oppose?) isn't considering those things as well is to do massive injustice to their cause. It's about recognizing that it is both significant and immediate like those issues, regardless of whether it is perceived as such. I can respect your opinion while disagreeing with it and rejecting your stance within the scope of this discussion and the general 2016 political debate; respect doesn't mean letting things be.
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