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Discussion: U.S. Election 2016: Primary Season
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Ms. Turner is a great public speaker and advocate. I can see why her strong message, passion towards her beliefs, color of her skin and gender may come off as "annoying" and "bitter" to many people who disagree with her. She's truly a phenomenal individual.
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I love Nina Turner tbh, despite not agreeing with her perspectives. She's so articulate and really is one of Bernie's BEST surrogates.
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Originally posted by heckinglovato
Ms. Turner is a great public speaker and advocate. I can see why her strong message, passion towards her beliefs, color of her skin and gender may come off as "annoying" and "bitter" to many people who disagree with her. She's truly a phenomenal individual.
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Well for me it's not her skin color or gender that come off annoying to me. I'm black and I'm female. I get that she wants Bernie to win and I respect her passion but unfortunately the math isn't on his side and she just seemed very negative nobody asked Bernie to drop out but to stop the negative attacks and she made it seems as though they'll keep attacking her because "Hillary attacked him first".
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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Originally posted by KylieistBoi
Such a shame that another establishment nominee is on its way. Poor and remaining middle-class people will be so sorry for this. And it is double sad that most of the people who'll get affected by this, POC, voted for the candidate that will make the life miserable for them, just to avoid voting for another old white dude. It is just sad.
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The first two sentences of this was good and then the rest of this post was...
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Member Since: 12/7/2011
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Originally posted by MiMiLAMb!
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Thank you.
So with the math of the delegations... I'm wondering if California is even needed.
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Originally posted by mermaid_ariel
Well for me it's not her skin color or gender that come off annoying to me. I'm black and I'm female. I get that she wants Bernie to win and I respect her passion but unfortunately the math isn't on his side and she just seemed very negative nobody asked Bernie to drop out but to stop the negative attacks and she made it seems as though they'll keep attacking her because "Hillary attacked him first".
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Again, she's coming off from a point of defending what she's passionate about and siding with the candidate that she thinks speaks for her issues. Many Hillary supporters may disagree with her or her approach, but I don't think it's acceptable to call Ms. Turner "bitter", especially since she isn't.
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Originally posted by nnnnnn
Thank you.
So with the math of the delegations... I'm wondering if California is even needed.
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I think Secretary Clinton has the nomination on lock at this point. What's going to be interesting next is the GE. Well, at least for us. I know you wouldn't mind someone like Trump in the oval office.
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Member Since: 3/3/2011
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Any predictions on Pennsylvania?
Also - Clinton bead Sanders in some very liberal NYC neighbourhoods; does particularly well in affluent areas. I think that bodes well for her in California.
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It's a shame that Bernie's officially over now but at the end of the day, the writing was on the wall a long time ago.
I wanted to believe that America would somehow allow one of the greatest left-wing politicians of all time to bring their country up to speed with the rest of the west... but alas it was not to be and it's tragically clear that an irrational fear of socialism still tarnishes the political views of many - particularly among older voters who have both been historically and sometimes even personally exposed to corrupt and poorly managed socialist systems in volatile political environments. It's a shame, but it's the sad truth and I commend Senator Sanders for taking a stand and leading a political movement that fought long and hard to rebrand what it meant to be a socialist in America in 2016 and in doing so, winning the respect and hearts of many international observers 
However all is not lost. Hillary is still a tremendous candidate and brings a lot to the table particularly in regards to international relations - which are a pretty pressing issue at this point in time, might I add. I look forward to supporting her into the 2016 Presidential Election and wish her and the Hillhounds all the very best in the lead up
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Originally posted by Wonderland
It's a shame that Bernie's officially over now but at the end of the day, the writing was on the wall a long time ago.
I wanted to believe that America would somehow allow one of the greatest left-wing politicians of all time to bring their country up to speed with the rest of the west... but alas it was not to be and it's tragically clear that an irrational fear of socialism still tarnishes the political views of many - particularly among older voters who have both been historically and sometimes even personally exposed to corrupt and poorly managed socialist systems in volatile political environments. It's a shame, but it's the sad truth and I commend Senator Sanders for taking a stand and leading a political movement which fought long and hard to rebrand what it means to be a socialist in America in 2016 and in doing so, winning the respect and hearts of many international observers
However all is not lost. Hillary is still a tremendous candidate and brings a lot to the table particularly in regards to international relations - which are a pretty pressing issue at this point in time, might I add. I look forward to supporting her into the 2016 Presidential Election and wish her and the Hillhounds all the very best in the lead up
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Flawless analysis. I agree with all of this.
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As expected by me, Clinton won big in New York. And gained 30 delegates or so on Sanders. Bernie really needed to win big in New York himself to cut into Clinton's delegate lead, instead he is much further behind with less remaining delegates to play for. Sanders now needs to win by even larger margins in all the remaining states. I cannot see it happening. I expect Penn and Maryland to go the same way as New York, in the Democrats race at least. I also think California will go for Hillary too.
The odds for Clinton winning the nomination (and Presidency) are shortening again. The bookies know the tea!
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Originally posted by Radiance
Any predictions on Pennsylvania?
Also - Clinton bead Sanders in some very liberal NYC neighbourhoods; does particularly well in affluent areas. I think that bodes well for her in California.
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Given my history here I'd be SHOCKED if he came within 10 points of Pennsylvania. There's almost nothing here that gives him any additional advantages apart from moderately white electorate (it should be about 77%-80% white this time around).
And regarding NYC they're both liberals so it's no surprise she's nearly splitting him with very liberal people but beating him as you go more conservative down the spectrum)
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one of the greatest left-wing politicians of all time
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Hasn't really accomplished anything deserving of that title....
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Everyone talking about how ignorant this. They are planning to go all the way to the convention. 
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Member Since: 8/3/2010
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Originally posted by Wonderland
It's a shame that Bernie's officially over now but at the end of the day, the writing was on the wall a long time ago.
I wanted to believe that America would somehow allow one of the greatest left-wing politicians of all time to bring their country up to speed with the rest of the west... but alas it was not to be and it's tragically clear that an irrational fear of socialism still tarnishes the political views of many - particularly among older voters who have both been historically and sometimes even personally exposed to corrupt and poorly managed socialist systems in volatile political environments. It's a shame, but it's the sad truth and I commend Senator Sanders for taking a stand and leading a political movement that fought long and hard to rebrand what it meant to be a socialist in America in 2016 and in doing so, winning the respect and hearts of many international observers
However all is not lost. Hillary is still a tremendous candidate and brings a lot to the table particularly in regards to international relations - which are a pretty pressing issue at this point in time, might I add. I look forward to supporting her into the 2016 Presidential Election and wish her and the Hillhounds all the very best in the lead up
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Originally posted by revel8
As expected by me, Clinton won big in New York. And gained 30 delegates or so on Sanders. Bernie really needed to win big in New York himself to cut into Clinton's delegate lead, instead he is much further behind with less remaining delegates to play for. Sanders now needs to win by even larger margins in all the remaining states. I cannot see it happening. I expect Penn and Maryland to go the same way as New York, in the Democrats race at least. I also think California will go for Hillary too.
The odds for Clinton winning the nomination (and Presidency) are shortening again. The bookies know the tea!
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If you mean "same way" as in the same winner then I agree. But she should win MD by even bigger than she won NY (and PA should be won about the same as NY).
Additionally, a new Connecticut poll is out that shows Clinton +9 with 6 days to go
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Originally posted by Radiance
Hasn't really accomplished anything deserving of that title....
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It's subjective.
And Senator Sanders has done a good job of bringing many issues into light in this campaign cycle, reignited many young voters and energized them to care about the political process, refused to receive donations from big more interests, raised huge sums of money solely from the American working class, has more donations than any presidential campaigner at this point in the primary, has been a very progressive legislator both in the house and the senate, has done a good job in the executive branch as Mayor of Burlington, surprised the masses with his streak of winning elections as an Independent voice (despite losing many previous ones drastically), is the longest-serving Independent in the history of the senate, etc.
Whether you think he's deserving of that title remains subjective.
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Originally posted by heckinglovato
It's subjective.
And Senator Sanders has done a good job of bringing many issues into light in this campaign cycle, reignited many young voters and energized them to care about the political process, refused to receive donations from big more interests, raised huge sums of money solely from the American working class, has more donations than any presidential campaigner at this point in the primary, has been a very progressive legislator both in the house and the senate, has done a good job in the executive branch as Mayor of Burlington, surprised the masses with his streak of winning elections as an Independent voice (despite losing many previous ones drastically), is the longest-serving Independent in the history of the senate, etc.
Whether you think he's deserving of that title remains subjective.
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I'd give you greatest left-wing presidential candidate of all time, but in terms of politicians there are many more progressive leaders that have actually written and passed crucial liberal legislation in the history of the country. I think it's wrong to give Sanders that title, as it only enforces his campaign's mantra that he's the gatekeeper of progressiveness and that no other politician measures up to him.
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Originally posted by Shame♥
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Everyone talking about how ignorant this. They are planning to go all the way to the convention.
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Idk if anyone else feels like it but I feel like an echo chamber 
I wouldn't say it was ignorant of him to do it, just not smart. He's basically saying he's going to try his hardest to overturn the will of the people (yet he tried using this same argument after New Hampshire as a way of proving the establishment is corrupt). It does make sense to go to the convention though. He has the resources to do so and neither candidate will have 2383 pledged delegates before then so why not 
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Originally posted by Radiance
I'd give you greatest left-wing presidential candidate of all time, but in terms of politicians there are many more progressive leaders that have actually written and passed crucial liberal legislation in the history of the country. I think it's wrong to give Sanders that title, as it only enforces his campaign's mantra that he's the gatekeeper of progressiveness and that no other politician measures up to him.
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Writing legislation isn't the only measure of how great a progressive leader is. There's also nothing wrong with his campaign recognizing Sanders' progressiveness to deep extents, as he truly is one of the very few ultra-progressive people in Congress who have been shamelessly pushing for the United States to become more like a Western European Democracy, and has consistently been on the right side of history the vast majority of the time.
We're seeing that again with his current equitable stance on Palestine.
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Originally posted by RatedG²
Given my history here I'd be SHOCKED if he came within 10 points of Pennsylvania. There's almost nothing here that gives him any additional advantages apart from moderately white electorate (it should be about 77%-80% white this time around).
And regarding NYC they're both liberals so it's no surprise she's nearly splitting him with very liberal people but beating him as you go more conservative down the spectrum)
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I don't know PA well but seeing that she won NY by 15, and PA is less affluent/less nonwhite than NY, I think it'll be closer. I'd give Hillary the edge but considering how much Bernie has been spending there, it'll be tight.
Hoping for a 5 state sweep next week.
Also think Hillary's campaign strategy in NY was excellent. The focus on ground work to contrast Bernie's extravagant trips to the Vatican worked well.
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