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Discussion: U.S. Election 2016: Primary Season
Member Since: 6/5/2011
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Originally posted by The Countess
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 How? When Hillary will be leading in the popular vote, pledged delegates and she's been raising amazing amounts of money for the DNC. His argument will be pointless. They will go with Hillary. I wish he would stop and start trying to unify.
His main support base is young white voters. Meanwhile Hillary's are women, African Americans, Latinos, & Older voters which are all important to the general election.
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Member Since: 6/20/2012
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Originally posted by Reza
My grandmother is in the intensive care unit right now and shes basically on her deathbed. My mom lost her job and is currently looking for a new one so she doesnt lose her home and my nephews dad left his mom and im basically his father figure right now. That's more important to me than the weather. Get it?!
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I'm sorry about what's going on in your life right now and I hope everything gets better as soon as possible, talk to any of us if you need anything, or just need someone to talk to.
But Reza, I'm also deeply sorry, it's not just "the weather" - this is about the future of our entire planet, and has to deal with billions of individuals who will be affected by our current actions (or lack thereof). This is way, way more important than you think it is.
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Member Since: 8/31/2012
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Question, how does Bernie Sanders have a net worth of $300k despite make $150-200k a year for the last 25+ years? And having travel expenses and many other expenses paid for by the DNC or the federal govt 
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Member Since: 8/3/2010
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Originally posted by Reza
My grandmother is in the intensive care unit right now and shes basically on her deathbed. My mom lost her job and is currently looking for a new one so she doesnt lose her home and my nephews dad left his mom and im basically his father figure right now. That's more important to me than the weather. Get it?!
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I'm sorry about what's going on in your life. I hope things get better soon
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Member Since: 8/18/2013
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Originally posted by Reza
My grandmother is in the intensive care unit right now and shes basically on her deathbed. My mom lost her job and is currently looking for a new one so she doesnt lose her home and my nephews dad left his mom and im basically his father figure right now. That's more important to me than the weather. Get it?!
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Omg. We're here for you Reza. Stuff like this is important too. Only a monster would try to dismiss this. If you wanna talk, pm me.  
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Member Since: 4/23/2012
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BernieBros are so disrespectful. They keep screaming in the far back hateful and sexist comments.
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Member Since: 6/20/2012
Posts: 8,593
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Originally posted by TikiMiss
Question, how does Bernie Sanders have a net worth of $300k despite make $150-200k a year for the last 25+ years? And having travel expenses and many other expenses paid for by the DNC or the federal govt |
His net worth could be anywhere between 200k-750k, actually. But he owns two houses and has/had some credit card debt.
We relate, Bernard! We relate.
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Personal anecdotes are usually not allowed in debate for a reason. They give an emotional charge that baits people to side one way or the other.
While I feel for you and your family, you can't use your situation do dismiss the urgency of government action on climate change. That's just not how things work. As I said, your concerns should be a priority WITH climate change, not instead of it.
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Originally posted by Cupid
There isn't actually enough evidence either way on fracking at the moment.
There are reports of water contamination, possible seismic activity, pollution from the water transport..
But I think people's main concern is that it's taking spotlight away from renewable sources.
However there are also benefits from experts on the other side..
American gas prices much cheaper than those of Europe, millions of new jobs and a boost to the economy, links to the decrease in the U.S greenhouse emissions as people switch from coal.
I think the main problem is that the U.S jumped the gun when it came to fracking, it was implemented around the country before testing and proper effects could be established. It needs to be regulated much better.
A lot of the negatives might be reduced by just having better regulations and stricter rules. If you take a look at the UK they're being very cautious when it comes to fracking, but they are still going ahead with it.
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My main issue is the incentivizing of non-renewable, damaging resources. We shouldn't be using all this water and focusing on finding more oil and gas, regardless of the scope of the potential damages from the fracking process itself. We need to focus our efforts on sustainable energy, chiefly wind and solar.
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Member Since: 11/15/2009
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Originally posted by YSL
BernieBros are so disrespectful. They keep screaming in the far back hateful and sexist comments.
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Disgusting 
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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The weather and climate change is a huge issue - possibly the biggest we are facing - but I don't really know how we can move forward when most Republicans don't even acknowledge it's existence. I guess all we can do is keep pushing policy and hope that one day soon they will change their minds and vote for instead of against.
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Member Since: 8/31/2012
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Originally posted by heckinglovato
His net worth could be anywhere between 200k-750k, actually. But he owns two houses and has/had some credit card debt.
We relate, Bernard! We relate. |
so he made around $2 million, and has around $300-750k net worth. He's only donated 4% of his income to charity.
And he hides most of his assets under his wife's name.
hmm.
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Member Since: 8/3/2010
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Originally posted by Retro
Personal anecdotes are usually not allowed in debate for a reason. They give an emotional charge that baits people to side one way or the other.
While I feel for you and your family, you can't use your situation do dismiss the urgency of government action on climate change. That's just not how things work. As I said, your concerns should be a priority WITH climate change, not instead of it.
My main issue is the incentivizing of non-renewable, damaging resources. We shouldn't be using all this water and focusing on finding more oil and gas, regardless of the scope of the potential damages from the fracking process itself. We need to focus our efforts on sustainable energy, chiefly wind and solar.
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Wind and Solar (while I'd love it) would not work in huge swaths of the country. For example it would just not be a thing in Philadelphia. We don't have enough sunlight or enough wind to sustain it
So for SOME parts of the country, fracking is better in terms of energy
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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I think maybe we should look into nuclear energy again if you want to completely get rid of fracking and coal. Wind and solar would not be enough.
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ATRL Senior Member
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Originally posted by RatedG²
Wind and Solar (while I'd love it) would not work in huge swaths of the country. For example it would just not be a thing in Philadelphia. We don't have enough sunlight or enough wind to sustain it
So for SOME parts of the country, fracking his better in terms of energy
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They wouldn't be completely ineffective at all, actually, and would be fine if we engineered more efficient solar cells and turbines. Additionally, there are other sources that are sustainable.
The United States, if it started now and worked enough, could legitimately be 100% green energy by 2050.
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Member Since: 8/28/2009
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Originally posted by YSL
BernieBros are so disrespectful. They keep screaming in the far back hateful and sexist comments.
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I mean I'm not shocked anymore. And the way the other Bernsters just ignore these things.
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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If you think that environmental concerns are the primary concern, then you vote for the Green Party. If you don't then you are not putting your money where your mouth is.
No country has elected a Green Party in Government, AFAIK, so this shows that the GP in democratic countries don't see environmental issues as their primary concern. Yes, it is important as the existence of Green Parties prove, but most people care about the economy, taxes, education, healthcare, security, law and order etc. That is proven at the ballot box time and time again.
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ATRL Senior Member
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Member Since: 8/3/2010
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Originally posted by Retro
They wouldn't be completely ineffective at all, actually, and would be fine if we engineered more efficient solar cells and turbines. Additionally, there are other sources that are sustainable.
The United States, if it started now and worked enough, could legitimately be 100% green energy by 2050.
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Well if we went from our current energy source to wind or solar power it could work but we'd have to seriously cut down our energy usage because we wouldn't be able to keep this same level of energy use with those proposed methods in this part of the country. True if we made solar panels more efficient that'd be better but that takes time.
So I do support investing in better energy sources but we can't just discontinue immediately what we have now without some bad consequences
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Member Since: 6/20/2012
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Why are we acting like we deal with one issue at a time? 
Prioritizing doesn't necessarily mean disregarding other issues. It simply means that some of those issues need to be dealt with immediately and urgently before it's too late to take action. We can deal with everything at the same time and address all issues.
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ATRL Senior Member
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Originally posted by revel8
If you think that environmental concerns are the primary concern, then you vote for the Green Party. If you don't then you are not putting your money where your mouth is.
No country has elected a Green Party in Government, AFAIK, so this shows that the GP in democratic countries don't see environmental issues as their primary concern. Yes, it is important as the existence of Green Parties prove, but most people care about the economy, taxes, education, healthcare, security, law and order etc. That is proven at the ballot box time and time again.
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Please don't peddle the notions that a) the Green Party is an exclusively environmentally concerned entity [it's not, and I'm a registered Green Party voter after switching after I supported Hillary in the caucuses] and b) that any of those concerns would not be addressed by a government also concerned with the environment. We have plenty of government to go around to target these issues and we can expand it further.
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Has he been hanging around Ben Carson lately or something?