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Discussion: U.S. Election 2016: Primary Season
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And the final thing I'll say about this, because I could talk on for a long time. When I was giving one of my economic speeches and I was looking through a lot of the reporting, there was a survey that had been done with leaders of major American corporations, people in the top 100, right? And they were asked a question, to paraphrase, that went like this, "If you could make an investment today in plant and equipment, in research, in training and education for your workforce and you could be guaranteed it would pay off in five to 10 years in your bottom line, but it would knock a penny off your share price, would you do it?" To a person, they said no. And I guessed that one of the people saying no is somebody I know who heads one of these big corporations. So I called that person up. I said, "Were you part of this?" "Yes," the answer was. I said, "You really said no?" and the response was, "You have no idea. The activist shareholders, the market would destroy me. I can't make those kinds of long-term investments."
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Hillary just having the tea  http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/t...=NYDailyNewsTw
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LOL my cousins in NY drove all the way from Ithaca to SUNY Binghamton to see Bunny, like it was a Drake concert or sth. Disgusting , I nearly unfollowed them on Snapchat. 
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Lol, I kinda wanna see Bernard live and I'll be in the area... 
I went to Hillary's Campaign Launch event last summer on Roosevelt Island.
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I You see, I really believe that one of the challenges is we're locked in this ideological binary world right now where you've got the Tea Party ideologues, which are basically determining what Republicans say, taking a negative stand toward everything. “Government can't do anything and we shouldn't even pretend that it can.” And then you've got the people who say “the government's got the answer to everything. Whatever is ailing you, we got to get the government back doing all these things.” Look, I think you've got to say, "Hey, what are the goals we're setting? What are the steps we take?" It sounds boring but this is the kind of strategic analysis and presentation I believe in, and, "How are we going to accomplish it?" And then you look at that map and you say, "Where do I need to get the support? Where do I go to make the case?"
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Woooooo She is so SMART. From the NYDN article linked above.
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Originally posted by King Maxx
No offense to Bernard, but he'll be too old (82-83) and have a higher chance to be on his death bed than be in any political position in 8 years.
Exactly. The same goes for either way. The DNC does not have to get rid of a system they think may save the party in a crazy election cycle. They can do what they want since you know it is their party. If you don't like it, then leave it.
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 Of course they don't have to change it; I'm saying they should change it. If the RNC did the same thing to Trump, it would only backfire. That's why super delegates have never chosen to go against the people's will. Because they know that would end badly. I'm sorry, but your last argument is terrible. "If you don't like it, then leave it". No. I refuse. If I don't like some, I will change it. That's akin to Republicans saying "if you don't like this country, then leave!!!". In this country you only get two options, and we both chose The Democratic Party, because we both know it is better. Telling me, or someone else, to go to the Republicans is literally the opposite of how you win elections. Come on honey.
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Originally posted by Ramcoro
Of course they don't have to change it; I'm saying they should change it. If the RNC did the same thing to Trump, it would only backfire. That's why super delegates have never chosen to go against the people's will. Because they know that would end badly. I'm sorry, but your last argument is terrible. "If you don't like it, then leave it". No. I refuse. If I don't like some, I will change it. That's akin to Republicans saying "if you don't like this country, then leave!!!". In this country you only get two options, and we both chose The Democratic Party, because we both know it is better. Telling me, or someone else, to go to the Republicans is literally the opposite of how you win elections. Come on honey. |
Okay you can disagree with it, but majority simply agree with it or don't care about super delegates since it's been in place for 40 years. The DNC is elected so it's not like super delegates are random people. We elect them to help guide our party and keep organization.
Imo, Superdelegates are meant to keep organization. Let's just agree to disagree.
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Originally posted by Giselle
Here's the difference. Hillary and Barack were two sides of the same Democratic coin. Bernie is not just "another Dem" running, he is profiting off of and promoting a divide between the "establishment" and the anti that I don't know will be so easy to recover from. |
It will be fine.  I don't agree with everything Bernie does, but he has consistently state he will support Democrats. Party infighting happens all the time. Like many said 2008 was much worse than this years. We recovered then, we will recover again. Having Trump in the debates will be enough to unite the Party.
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Originally posted by Ramcoro
It will be fine. I don't agree with everything Bernie does, but he has consistently state he will support Democrats. Party infighting happens all the time. Like many said 2008 was much worse than this years. We recovered then, we will recover again. Having Trump in the debates will be enough to unite the Party. |
He just said that he doesn't know if he'll endorse Hillary when he's officially out.
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Originally posted by MaRy
i think Hillary is going to lose, Bernie has won 8 states in a row  Poor her |
I agree!
Oh well, running after losing is nothing new for her. 2024 is right around the corner!
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Forget endorsing Hillary. He doesn't know if he'll help fundraise for down-ballots. At the Michigan Democratic dinner, they were both asked to touch on the Supreme Court election. Hillary went full in. Bernie never mentioned it.
Come on people. See this man does not care about the Democratic Party. (It's the establishment he hates)
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Originally posted by MAKSIM
After comparing the NYDN editorial board answers, it is almost appalling that people could seriously take Sanders word for the ideas he is propagating when he clearly has an artificial handling of them himself.
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"It's not that he doesn't have policy knowledge," said Avik Roy, who has advised former GOP presidential candidates Rick Perry, Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) and Mitt Romney.
"As an economist, sure, I'd love to see him spell everything out," said Dean Baker, a director of the liberal Center for Economic and Policy Research in Washington. "Did he give reasonable answers that gave people a reasonable idea of what he would do? Yeah. I didn't see any big scandal there."
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...the-big-banks/
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The most annoying thing about the "political revolution" is that Bernie is not raising money for down-ticket dems, people who he would need for a revolution. The voter turnout for a "revolution" just isn't there either. Like it just doesn't make sense.
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Originally posted by Ramcoro
It will be fine. I don't agree with everything Bernie does, but he has consistently state he will support Democrats. Party infighting happens all the time. Like many said 2008 was much worse than this years. We recovered then, we will recover again. Having Trump in the debates will be enough to unite the Party. |
Ikr  everyone will forget this in a year
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Originally posted by Giselle
He just said that he doesn't know if he'll endorse Hillary when he's officially out. |
She goes against everything he stands for, why should he endorse her? Blind party loyalty is ********.
There's no chance he'd ever endorse the Republican candidate though, so y'all can calm down.
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Screaming at me finally getting FOUR bumper stickers from Bernie after I converted to a Little Hillary 
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She goes against everything he stands for, why should he endorse her? Blind party loyalty is ********.
There's no chance he'd ever endorse the Republican candidate though, so y'all can calm down.
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This is a big fat lie. And it has nothing to do with party affiliation. Both ARE liberals/progressives. Not voting for ideology? Now that is a problem.
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Originally posted by bleuwaffle
She goes against everything he stands for, why should he endorse her? Blind party loyalty is ********.
There's no chance he'd ever endorse the Republican candidate though, so y'all can calm down. |
To unite the party? Didn't think that was a complicated point. But there's no point in discussing this with you as you think Hillary is Hitler.
Can't wait for her to be POTUS.
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Originally posted by Temporal
Screaming at me finally getting FOUR bumper stickers from Bernie after I converted to a Little Hillary |
King needs you back 
(send them to me )
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Originally posted by King Maxx
Okay you can disagree with it, but majority simply agree with it or don't care about super delegates since it's been in place for 40 years. The DNC is elected so it's not like super delegates are random people. We elect them to help guide our party and keep organization.
Imo, Superdelegates are meant to keep organization. Let's just agree to disagree.
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We are on discussion forum. What's the point of having a discussion if anytime we disagree someone says "Let's just agree to disagree". Also, just because a majority of people agree with it, that doens't make it right. (Can you site a source for that statistic?) Having these conversations are important, and they should not be stifled. If we always "agree to disagree". Then that just keeps the status quo. History would have never made social progress if everyone just "agreed to disagree". That's stupid. Everyone is entitled to their "opinions" but they aren't entitled to their own facts. If you want to keep having a discussion, then great, maybe we can get somewhere. I'm not going to agree to disagree on something I believe to be wrong. If you don't want to reply to me, then you don't have to.
Honestly, from my experience when people say "let's just agree to disagree". It means they are losing an argument, and they don't know what else to say. 
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Originally posted by Marvin
There's no way to know that. Washington is a very liberal state and they've already enacted some of his policies. I think he would've won by a similar percentage
1) Because of superdelegates
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I'm pretty sure you were Xena and she was the other...
She was obviously admitting defeat
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Originally posted by Ramcoro
We are on discussion forum. What's the point of being discussion if anytime we disagree someone says "Let's just agree to disagree". Also, just because a majority of people agree with it, that doens't make it right. (Can you site a source for that statistic?) Having these conversations are important, and they should not be stifled. If we always "agree to disagree". Then that just keeps the status quo. History would have never made social progress if everyone just "agreed to disagree". That's stupid. Everyone is entitled to their "opinions" but they aren't entitled to their own facts. If you want to keep having a discussion, then great, maybe we can get somewhere. I'm not going to agree to disagree on something I believe to be wrong. If you don't want to reply to me, then you don't have to.
Honestly, from my experience when people say "let's just agree to disagree". It means they are losing an argument, and they don't know what else to say. |
Love reading your posts, and seeing "Poli sci major" up in the corner  the knowledge
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