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Discussion: U.S. Election 2016: Primary Season
Member Since: 11/15/2009
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Originally posted by Bad Wolf
Why did ignore the people and switch to Hillary though? Probably $$$$$. *sigh*
#SoOverHer
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It sounds like you're mainly against Hillary as a sort of personal vendetta, rather than basing your vote on policy issues. This becomes especially clear when you say you wouldn't vote for her in the general election. These are dangerous times. We cannot have Predident Trump or President Cruz. This mentality will lead to that.
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Member Since: 8/3/2010
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Originally posted by Bad Wolf
Why did ignore the people and switch to Hillary though? Probably $$$$$. *sigh*
#SoOverHer
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Many reasons. The main reason though is more people think she's more electable than him. Money is probably a small reason (but important one because Bernie isn't raising money for democrats)
I'm all fine for people not supporting her, she's not perfect. But this is a democracy and just because your candidate is losing doesn't make it any less of a democracy. She's getting the most popular votes so she's winning accordingly
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Originally posted by Bad Wolf
So Bernie wins Wyoming by double digits (12%), yet Hillary gets 11 delegates to his 7? (Basically, he loses).
This is exactly why I'm voting for Bernie. This makes me want to register as an Independent.
It also makes me want to not support Hillary if she gets it. This isn't a democracy, and it's sad.
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This IS Democracy, and I have had enough of the mythology and bull **** surrounding this entire process.
It's as much democracy as Bernie netting almost fifty delegates from a state with less than 30k votes between them, when Hillary can win a state by seven times that amount and not net as much. It's as much democracy as Bernie being considered viable when in terms of the popular vote, he can not win.
Bernie is yodeling at the top of his lungs that superdelegates should bend to the will of the people - and they are. This should not be a reason to vote for Bernie, to change registration, or especially to not support the leader by 2.4 million popular votes.
The superdelegate system is fine, it exists to protect the interests of the party that is being represented on a national stage, and it is not currently changing the results at all.
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Member Since: 5/12/2012
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Originally posted by Bad Wolf
Basically what you're saying is "because Bernie hasn't given much money to the Democratic party at large."
IMO, the money is the reason she has the super delegates. Hoping they drop her like they did in 2008 with Obama.
This is why many of us Bernie supporters don't really want to vote for Hillary if she gets it. Our votes mean nothing. And Hillary and her supporters certainly aren't doing ANYTHING to try and change the perceptions of people like me who don't really want to vote for her AT ALL.
And I'm sorry, but I shouldn't have to end up voting for Hillary out of fear from another candidate.
No one should have to vote out of fear. That is also not a democracy.
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She has raised money for Democratic candidates running at the local level get into public positions. That is something Bernie has not done and yet it's the entire root of his revolution rhetoric. Do you not see the flaw in this?
Even beyond this, Hillary has not sued the party, spoken about how evil and corrupt the party is, and has been a Democrat for more than a few months to be eligible for the primary contests.
It's not just about money. It's about loyalty and support. Hillary has proven to do more to help progressive and liberal Democratic candidates for positions throughout all branches of government throughout the country than Bernie has and has shown to be a stronger ally to the party. Not that hard to grasp.
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Member Since: 9/25/2001
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Originally posted by @michael
It sounds like you're mainly against Hillary as a sort of personal vendetta, rather than basing your vote on policy issues. This becomes especially clear when you say you wouldn't vote for her in the general election. These are dangerous times. We cannot have Predident Trump or President Cruz. This mentality will lead to that.
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I'm a single issue voter. Campaigns/elections/government being corrupt.
And I didn't say I wouldn't vote for her, I said I feel like I "don't really want to."
And comments like your's make me feel validated in why I don't want to.
"Dangerous times" = vote out of fear. I refuse.
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Member Since: 8/3/2010
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Every Hen coming out of the woodworks 
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Member Since: 11/15/2009
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Originally posted by Retro
This IS Democracy, and I have had enough of the mythology and bull **** surrounding this entire process.
It's as much democracy as Bernie netting almost fifty delegates from a state with less than 30k votes between them, when Hillary can win a state by seven times that amount and not net as much. It's as much democracy as Bernie being considered viable when in terms of the popular vote, he can not win.
Bernie is yodeling at the top of his lungs that superdelegates should bend to the will of the people - and they are. This should not be a reason to vote for Bernie, to change registration, or especially to not support the leader by 2.4 million popular votes.
The superdelegate system is fine, it exists to protect the interests of the party that is being represented on a national stage, and it is not currently changing the results at all.
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Yes gather 
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Member Since: 8/3/2010
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Originally posted by Bad Wolf
I'm a single issue voter. Campaigns/elections/government being corrupt.
And I didn't say I wouldn't vote for her, I said I feel like I "don't really want to."
And comments like your's make me feel validated in why I don't want to.
"Dangerous times" = vote out of fear. I refuse.
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Don't vote out of fear. Don't vote for the lesser evil. Vote for who you think will best hold your beliefs. However you have to understand sometimes your candidate loses and if that happens (because the will of the people chose someone else) then that's okay.
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by Bad Wolf
She also currently does not have the momentum. NY would be Bernie's if it wasn't a "closed primary." Once again, rigged.
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Why would a closed primary be rigged but a closed caucuses isn't? Those are Bernie's strong suits, but a closed caucus typically has less participants than a closed primary. If anything, those would be more rigged than the other.
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Member Since: 11/15/2009
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Originally posted by Bad Wolf
I'm a single issue voter. Campaigns/elections/government being corrupt.
And I didn't say I wouldn't vote for her, I said I feel like I "don't really want to."
And comments like your's make me feel validated in why I don't want to.
"Dangerous times" = vote out of fear. I refuse.
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Then have fun with Ted Cruz!  Don't say we didn't warn you though!
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Member Since: 9/25/2001
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Originally posted by RatedG²
Every Hen coming out of the woodworks 
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Sorry, didn't realize this was a Hillary thread where only Hillary supporters can comment and ask questions.
Yep, y'all continuing to convince me not to vote for her. 
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Member Since: 5/12/2012
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People need to understand that super delegates have yet to decide the nomination process. They exist as a safety measure to make sure someone like Trump doesn't hijack the party. The RNC is WISHING they had super delegates at the moment, so until super delegates outrightly go against the will of the people, then Bernie supporters cannot use them as a crutch to scream corruption.
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Member Since: 8/3/2010
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Originally posted by Bad Wolf
Sorry, didn't realize this was a Hillary thread where only Hillary supporters can comment and ask questions.
Yep, y'all continuing to convince me not to vote for her. 
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I was just surprised at how many came out for that one comment because the thread wasn't moving that much before. You can support any candidate (even republicans) you want in this thread. I never said or even implied you can't comment/ask questions
Go ahead, all of us can give you a different perspective on issues
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Member Since: 5/12/2012
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Originally posted by Bad Wolf
Sorry, didn't realize this was a Hillary thread where only Hillary supporters can comment and ask questions.
Yep, y'all continuing to convince me not to vote for her. 
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We've never said that. You can support Donald Trump for all I care, but if you make a comment and make claims that I, or others, believe are not warranted, you will likely get a response. This is not a one-way conversation.
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Member Since: 11/15/2009
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Originally posted by Bad Wolf
Sorry, didn't realize this was a Hillary thread where only Hillary supporters can comment and ask questions.
Yep, y'all continuing to convince me not to vote for her. 
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Honestly, I don't even want you to vote for her at this point  You have a bad attitude!
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Originally posted by jpow
Why would a closed primary be rigged but a closed caucuses isn't? Those are Bernie's strong suits, but a closed caucus typically has less participants than a closed primary. If anything, those would be more rigged than the other.
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Every primary should be a closed primary with a secret ballot. At the end of the day, the primary is a process for a party to determine its nominee. Only party members should have a say in that. If you want to maintain political independence, that's great. Just don't expect to come marching into my party's primary and expecting you can have a say in it.
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Member Since: 1/20/2012
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Originally posted by Bad Wolf
Basically what you're saying is "because Bernie hasn't given much money to the Democratic party at large."
IMO, the money is the reason she has the super delegates. Hoping they drop her like they did in 2008 with Obama.
She also currently does not have the momentum. NY would be Bernie's if it wasn't a "closed primary." Once again, rigged.
This is why many of us Bernie supporters don't really want to vote for Hillary if she gets it. Our votes mean nothing. And Hillary and her supporters certainly aren't doing ANYTHING to try and change the perceptions of people like me who don't really want to vote for her AT ALL.
And I'm sorry, but I shouldn't have to end up voting for Hillary out of fear from another candidate.
No one should have to vote out of fear. That is also not a democracy.
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Quote:
Originally posted by Bad Wolf
Basically what you're saying is "because Bernie hasn't given much money to the Democratic party at large."
IMO, the money is the reason she has the super delegates. Hoping they drop her like they did in 2008 with Obama.
She also currently does not have the momentum. NY would be Bernie's if it wasn't a "closed primary." Once again, rigged.
This is why many of us Bernie supporters don't really want to vote for Hillary if she gets it. Our votes mean nothing. And Hillary and her supporters certainly aren't doing ANYTHING to try and change the perceptions of people like me who don't really want to vote for her AT ALL.
And I'm sorry, but I shouldn't have to end up voting for Hillary out of fear from another candidate.
No one should have to vote out of fear. That is also not a democracy.
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Its not just about the money, like at all. Also they didn't "drop" her in 2008, Obama won fair and square. It wouldn't be comparable at all to what Bernie wants to do and basically poach them all during the National Convention.
And as far as not voting goes, thats your prerogative! I have a feeling anyone saying this though had no intention on voting anyways. And probably didn't vote during primaries either. Thats why Bernie is trailing the way he is in not only in delegates but the popular vote as well. Also as far as Hillary and her supporters not doing anything to change perceptions, its kind of hard when party unification is being halted in all possible directions by the Bernie campaign. Once Hillary gets the nomination and Bernie people stop being salty, the reasonable people within his camp will unify with the democratic party.
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Member Since: 9/25/2001
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Originally posted by @michael
Honestly, I don't even want you to vote for her at this point  You have a bad attitude!
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Ok then.
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Member Since: 1/20/2012
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Hillary is not more electable 
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